this proves
Source?
350000 people from there who wait to come back to their homeland.
This also proves that you know very little Kastorianos, and that you are from Kastoria means nothing. I could have listed more than half of the villages and towns on that list based on what my parents have told me.
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(6/5/05 5:13 pm) Reply
Re: this proves
Iron man you are talking crap. Your parents can tell you much, we are looking here for a unbiased, scientific source...but you have aynway not a clue what those words mean...
ye ye
Kastorianos can you define for me the term "source" because as far as i know source could be primary or secondary. Primary for this case are the people that were expelled from the region, these people know where they come from and this is all docuemnted, there is books, etc. If you genuinly(which i doubt) wanted to know more you could contact the Chamerian organisation in Tirana - Albania, or the ones in USA or around the world, unfortunately i do not have the contact details of them, but the next time i visit Albania i will get hold of some of books available, particularly one with cham song and dances the book is over 1000 pages long and they were collected from people from the Chameria region and at the end of each song you can read the village or town that it originated.
Then we got secondary sources, from articles and what have you, which are thmselves based on the primary sources anyways, i always trust field sources(primary)
Epirote Registered User
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(6/6/05 2:45 am) Reply
Re: Real facts
There is an Fyrom(Slav- macedonian) name for every City and Village in Greek-Macedonia.
There is an Fyrom(Slav- macedonian) name for every City and Village in Eastern Albanian.
There is an Serb name for every city and Village in Kosovo.
There is an Turkish name for every city an Village in South- Eastern Bulgaria.
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Edited by: Epirote at: 6/6/05 2:49 am
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My sorces are articles posted on albasoul.com and other albanian websites.They had albanian names of villages in cameria so i gathered them all up onto one list(i was really bored when i did this, weidly it didnt take long).
I then went to www.globalgazetter.com went to where it says greece and found thier old greek equiverlent(similier to the albanian names here) and also thier "new" greek replacment name.
I had more information but i wouldnt stay good on my post(i had posted this in the arvanites/tosk/cam/lab forum and asked the moderater about how to insert a table{so it makes sense and info is clear to read}and still i havent recived a reply) so i opted to just post the village names.
To epirote he same way there are names for every City and Village in Greek-Macedonia in both slavic and greek there are greek names for albanian towns and same for greek town where there lived or still are living albanians !!!
...Eleos
Os apantisi stis kotsanes pou diavazo sas grafo to parakato alithino gegonos.
Enas alvanos istorikos isxirizotan o Megas Aleksandros itan elinas, kai tekmirione os eksis: Aleksandros me tin parodo tou kairou emeine stin istoria to onoma Leko (to opoio yparxei akoma stin alvania) kai apo to Leko vgeike kai to Lek (egxorio nomisma tis alvanias).Oxi mono itan alvanos dld alla tou ekanan tetia timi pou onomasan etsi kai to nomisma tous.Evge alvanoi meta ton Mega Aleksandro poios exei seira?
Opos akrivos me kalypsan ta stoixia tou alvanou istorikou allo toso me kalyptoun kai ta dika sas pou grafete oti sas katevei
Sorry here is the correct website where i matched the names.I confused the name with its web address sorry ! Here it is www.fallingrain.com/world/GR/18/
Re: To kastorianos ........
Listen you Greeks tell me What Preveza means in Greek if you can.In Albanian we do.In Cameria even the places little rivers Have Albanian explanations.
You know very weel since most of the Greeks that live in Cameria came from Micro-Asia.You had your ass kicked by Turks.You are oppotunists.Not only that but you have committed time after times GENOCIDES against Albanians.Why did you kill Spiro Calluka from Paramithia????
Because he was an Albanian Orthodox who said openly the truth,that in Cameria even birds speak Albanian.You cowerds cut his eyes open and put nail on his head while stiil alive.
Pretty soon you will hear from us now
Re: this proves
This proovs you are ignorant as your parents
under communist Xoxha for 50 years brainwashing didn't really expect more from you or your kind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,however you're so pathetic not even the names even in Albanian have the same meaning then again you don't have your own language how could you when you are an ARNAUT turkish leftovers.
Re: this proves
arvanites will hellenise your species that has arrived to greece as immigrants pathetic turk...they r loyal greeks and only greeks...they'll be albania's trojan horse...et dona ferentis...
the way of the peaceful warrior:paradox,humor and change...
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(2/9/07 8:10 am) Reply
WHAT WAS BEFORE GREEKS IN BALKAN......
Prehistory
Most scholars consider that Albanians are direct descendants of an Illyrian tribe that was named Albanoi, which was located in modern-day Albania[citation needed]. Some scholars dispute this, while others claim that Albanians and Illyrians are descendants of the ancient Pelasgians, making their history go back at least four thousand years before Christ. Their presence can be traced back to the formulation of their political structure in the seventh and sixth centuries BC. Excellent metal craftsmen and fierce warriors, the Illyrians formed warlord-based kingdoms that fought amongst themselves for most of their history. Only during the sixth century BC did the Illyrians venture significant raids against their immediate Greek-speaking neighbours: the kingdom of Molossians in Epirus, the kingdom of Macedon, and the Thraco-Illyrian kingdom of Paionia.
The lands that are today inhabited by Albanians were first populated in the Paleolithic Age (Stone Age), over one hundred thousand years ago. The first zones that were initially settled were those with adequate geographical conditions. In Albania, the earliest settlements have been discovered in the Gajtan cavern (Shkodra), in Konispol, at mount Dajti, and at Xara (Saranda)[citation needed]. Primitive peoples lived in secluded groups, mainly in dry caves that would also protect from the wind. They used stones and bones as their tools. Places such as caverns and terrains close to rivers were used to work on stone. In any case, the tools from this age were simple and created primarily from stone. Paleolithic peoples fed on collected products from plants and hunted wild animals. Because of the harsh conditions that they lived in, they had a lifespan of approximately 21 to 30 years, with higher youth mortality. The fight against harsh living conditions led to strengthened connections among the members of each group and in a change of organization of primitive peoples. At the end of the Paleolithic Age, the primitives transformed into a grouping among bloodlines where the origins were traced to the mother. Thus a matriarchal society developed, which became common in later periods in the Neolithic age (New Stone Age). The inhabitation of Albanian lands increased in the Neolithic age. People began to abandon caverns and settle in open areas. Neolithic people were more prone to build their settlements in open fields or next to rivers. A large number of such settlements are discovered in Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro, and the Republic of Macedonia.
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Aboriginals gradually developed stable settlements and started an agricultural economy. They knew how to plant barley, millet, and rice. This was associated with the development of matriarchy and this epoch saw the beginning of paired marriages.[3]
[edit] Aboriginal discoveries
Among the most prominent inventions during the Paleolithic Age was the discovery of fire, which aided ancient inhabitants in cooking food and provided warmth. The cooking of food by fire brought qualitative changes to the digestive organs of humans. Economic changes and social organization of the epoch influenced other technical inventions. Humans learned to work with mud and make utensils, which were frequently artistically decorated. They also learned to work with fabric and build huts made of canes and layered with mud for protection against the wind. Tools in the Neolithic epoch were far superior to those of earlier times.
A bonanza of new tools were invented. Spades for working the land and hammers were made out of deer horns. Fishing increased and was improved with the creation of fishing nets and hooks. Tools for hunting wild animals were also invented or refined. The economy was further expanded with the taming of wild animals. Although primitive, hunting enabled people of this epoch to tame the sheep, goat, horse, and dog. All of these circumstances forced the connection of generic groups, improved connections with other groups and stimulated exchanges even in far away regions. In the Bronze Age (c.3000-2100 BC) new changes came about. The stockbreeding and agricultural economies separated, enabling specific groups to master either stockbreeding or agriculture. Shepherds were more nomadic and began to live again in caves. New settlements were founded and people began to build settlements next to rivers, with the foundations being in the rivers. Tools were now made from bronze and sparked a variety of new techniques. Domesticated animals helped to cultivate the land. The stockbreeding economy gave an advantage to men and the matriarchal system began to weaken. This epoch produced the patriarchal system, which was further strengthened in the Iron Age.[4]
[edit] Pelasgians
The Bronze Age is characterized with shifting demographics. Stockbreeding people came from the east around the mid 3000s B.C. to the early 2000s B.C. They mixed with the indigenous peoples and thus created the Indo-European peoples of the Balkans. This population is believed to be the ancient Pelasgians, which have been mentioned frequently by ancient writers such as Homer, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The Pelasgians are known as the most ancient inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula, living before Illyrian or Greek times. From their first appearance in the region, the Pelasgians adopted a matriarchal system. Several different opinions arise when their ethnicity is analyzed. A theory dating back to the seventeenth century, and most popular during the Albanian Rilindja (Rebirth) in the nineteenth century, has attempted to connect the Pelasgian language with Albanian. The most active supporter of this theory was Austrian linguist Hahn. Today, however, Albanian is universally classified as an Indo-European (i.e. non-indigenous) language by linguists.
The differentiation of populations by ethnicity began during the Bronze Age. Herodotus, an ancient Greek historian in the fifth century BC, writes about the Pelasgians that continued to live in Greece. According to him, the language of the Pelasgians was different from Greek. They dealt with agriculture and the sea and were excellent builders. The Pelasgians built the wall around the Acropolis of Athens and were rewarded with lands in Attica by the Athenians. These worthless lands were turned into excellent agricultural resources by the Pelasgians.[5]
[edit] Illyrians
The Illyrians created and developed their culture, language and anthropological features in the western part of the Balkans, where ancient writers mention them in their works. The regions that the Illyrians inhabited are considerably expansive. They include the entire western peninsula, north to central Europe, south to the Ambracian Gulf (Preveza, Greece), and east around the Lyhind Lake (Ohrid Lake). Other Illyrian tribes also migrated and developed in Italy. Among them were the Messapii and Iapyges. The name 'Illyria' is mentioned in works since the fifth century BC while some tribe names are mentioned as early as the twelfth century BC by Homer. The ethnic formation of the Illyrians, however, is much older.
The beginning of Illyrian origins in by the fifteenth century BC, from the mid-Bronze Age, when Illyrian ethnic features began to form. By the Iron Age, the Illyrians were fully distinct and had inherited their developing anthropological features and language from the Neolithic and Bronze Ages. The old theory that the Illyrians came from Central Europe during the seventh to ninth centuries has been disproved and disbanded by studies performed following World War II. The fact that graves with urns, characteristic of Central Europe, are not found in Illyrian settlements severely damage the theory. Central European influence on the Illyrians is a result of cultural exchanges and movement of artisans.[6]
[edit] Roman and Byzantine rule
After being conquered by the Roman Empire, Illyria was reorganized as a Roman province. Illyricum was later divided into the provinces of Dalmatia and Pannonia, the lands comprising modern-day Albania mostly being included in the former. After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire governed the region. It was also ruled by the Bulgarian and the Serbian Empire at various points in the Middle Ages.
[edit] Ottoman rule
Statue of Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg. Skanderbeg is considered the national hero of Albania.In the Middle Ages, the name Albania (see Origin and history of the name Albania) began to be increasingly applied to the region now comprising the nation of Albania. From 1443 to 1468 Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg led a successful resistance against the invading Ottomans. After the death of Skanderbeg, resistance continued until 1478, although with only moderate success. The loyalties and alliances created and nurtured by Skanderbeg faltered and fell apart, and the Ottomans conquered the territory of Albania shortly after the fall of Kruje's castle. Albania then became part of the Ottoman Empire. Following this, many Albanians fled to neighboring Italy, mostly to Calabria and Sicily. The majority of the Albanian population that remained converted to Islam. They would remain a part of the Ottoman Empire until 1912.
ALBANIAN PLACENAMES IN CAMERIA(THESPROTIA) !!!
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