Archaeologists Find 'Supreme' Zeus Temple
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Archaeologists Find 'Supreme' Zeus Temple
Sat Aug 2, 2:46 AM ET
DION, Greece - Archaeologists working on a river bed near the mythological home of the ancient gods uncovered remains of the first temple known to be dedicated to the "supreme" Zeus, the team leader said.
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One of 14 columns depicting eagles sits at the archaeological site of Dion, Greece near Mount Olympus, about 65 kilometers (40 miles) south of Thessaloniki, Greece in this July 2003 handout photo. The columns were found along with a 2,400-year-old statue and the first known temple dedicated to Hypsistos, or supreme, Zeus, head of Greece's ancient gods.
(AP Photo/HO, Pantermalis)
The 2,400-year-old headless marble statue was found along with 14 columns depicting eagles, one of the symbols of the chief deity of ancient Greece, archaeologist Dimitris Pantermalis said Friday.
The find is significant because it offers a sense of how Zeus was represented during an important period of transition in ancient worship. Experts believe the Hypsistos — or "supreme" — Zeus emerged as a more dominant figure as Greeks moved away from the many gods and cults that included dozens of variations of Zeus.
"We know how the ancients depicted this Hypsistos Zeus. It is the first time we see it," said Pantermalis, who has headed digs for 35 years at Dion near Mount Olympus, about 40 miles south of Thessaloniki.
Pantermalis said the statule was found about 10 days ago during work to expand the Vaphyras River to prevent flooding.
"There is a chance the head will be found because the digs in the mud that covered this temple have not been completed," he added.
prof kalkigaur
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(8/3/03 10:13 pm) Reply
GREECE WILL WORSHIP GOD ZEUS AGAIN
CHRISTIANITY HAS BEEN A CURSE ON ANCIENT GREEK CIVILIZAITON: Let us establish a New Temple of God Zeus with golden image so that Greeks might become the worshippers of God Zeus in the 21st Century and then Greek Civilization would lead the Europe. Greeks can regain the lost glory when they begin to worship God Zeus again.
(1) Greeks can regain the lost glory of the ancient greeks once they reject Christianity and revert back to the ancient religion of Zeus.
(2) The concept of JESUS as god is related to the concept of Zeus. The terms and spellings of Jesus and Zeus are very similar. The Real Christianity preached by Jesus Christ worshipped God Zeus to the Jewish people and that is why Jesus and his elder brother Apostle james were stoned to death by Jews.
(3) The term Jews is very similar to the term Zeus. Just as term Rabbi is derived from the term Rab the god, similarly the jews are the people who worshipped the God Zeus. The Jews are thhe worshippers of god Zeus.
(4) By declaring God Zeus as the supreme God of all gods, the Judaism as well as Chrisitans can worship the real god God Zeus.
(5) Meditate on the similarity of the terms "ZEUS" "JESUS" and "JEWS" and you would realize that Original Chrisitans and Jews worshipped the same God "GOD ZEUS".
GREEKS SHOULD WORSHIP GOD ZEUS.
PROFESSOR KALKI GAUR
roy237us
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(8/3/03 11:06 pm) Reply
Greece's Greatest Glory
>Greeks can regain the lost glory of the ancient greeks once they reject Christianity and revert back to the ancient religion of Zeus. (
Of course, Greece's greatest glory came during the appogee of the Byzantine Empire, between 800 and 1050. At that time, the UNiversity of COnstantinople was the greatest in the world, art and literature flourished, and Greece was the shield of Christendom
prof kalkigaur
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(8/3/03 11:09 pm) Reply
CHRISTIANITY IMPOSED ON GREECE BY SWORD
GREEKS DIDN'T BECOME CHRISTIAN VOLUNTARILY:
Ancient Greeks worshipped God Zeus, and Romans worshipped God Jupiter, the god with a thunderbolt.
It is high time that ancient Civilizations of Greece and Rome should discard Christianity and Egyptians should discard Islam and adopt their ancient religion.
Emperor Theodosius I (died 395 AD), imposed Christianity by Roman royal Edict and authorized the use of sword to impose ChristianITY over Greeks and Romans who represented 95% population of Grece, Rome and Egypt in 360 AD.
Gods never die, and God Zeus would resurrect in Greece, God Jupiter would resurrect in Rome and God Ossir would resurrect in Egypt and then Greeks, Romans and Egyptians would join their fraternal Hindus of India and Zoroastrians of Persia, to reclaim the ancient world.
In 21st Century the God Zeus would emerge triumphant in Greece, and God Jupiter would emerge triumphant in Italy and greeks and Italians would convert enmasse to their ancient religons to seek the glory of their ancient civilizaitons of ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
Religions that spread by sword fall by their own decline. It is high time that ancinet civilizations of Greece and Rome should stage a come back in Greece and Rome.
In 21st Century Supreme God Zeus wold emerge supreme in the Mediterranean Europe.
Re: GREECE WILL WORSHIP GOD ZEUS AGAIN
Lighten up. Who appointed you to guard the faith anyway? Zeus perhaps
noidsleft2
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(8/3/03 11:12 pm) Reply
Its amazing that Greece, Germany,
Iraq, the United States all use the eagle in one way or another.
Georgios3377
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(8/3/03 11:41 pm) Reply
Re: GREECE WILL WORSHIP GOD ZEUS AGAIN
Oh please.... Enough with gods and resureaction of ancient greece.
We have been hiding behind the tombstones of our ancestrors for too long. We have been looking at their graves and sang songs for them for millenia. Other nations have been looking at our ancestors and forgoten to look at us.
The civilisation of ancient greece and Byzantioum are there for one reason. To learn from them and surpass them. This is what we have to do. Who ever says otherwise is a ghoul who likes to walk and sleep near graves.
I do hope that these findings will add to our knowledge of the ancients though.
True Hellene
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(8/3/03 11:42 pm) Reply
I must call this finding
very important one although I am intrigued by what this so called prof said, resurrection of ancient Hellenic religion in the Mediterranean.
I guess his point is that it is an original and native religion of this region contrary of the Semitic religions (Christianity and Islam) which have been imposed by the sort that part is true.
I guess his other point is that ancient Greek religion is less dogmatic and more progressive and under its shadow we have seen an advancement of ancient Greek civilization while medieval Christianity just stopped advancement.
It is interesting to note that 99% of medieval Europeans were illiterate under direct influence of the church which preferred keeping people this way while western Europe after adaptation of Christianity saw 1000 years (from 4 century AD until renaissance) in intellectual darkness where people would have been killed for stating something like earth is round.
Semitic religion is dogmatic by nature and natural enemy of free though which is in direct contradiction of free Greek and wider European spirit and as a result of this Semitic religion has been practically discarded from popular mainstream after French revolution which was the time of renewed European renaissance while non-semitic european/caucasiois countries 'Islamic' countries have either also discarded popular Islam (other Semitic religion) such as Albania and Bosnia or are in the process of discarting it (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Tunisia and Iran being some).
It has been proven that the moment the Caucasoid population became more literate enmasse that the Semitic superstition and dogma imposed through these religions have become more absurd and less important to the general populace.
Point is if one is to continue the path of the great ancient Greek civilization, the pinnacle of world civilization, then one needs to sidestep anything inferior to it and continue on the same path with the ancient who in so many ways were even more advanced that people today.
Adaptation of Greek religion and true ancient Hellenism would not only go for modern Greeks by for Balkans in general (where majority of the population is of Hellenic origin anyway) as well as other region where ancient Greek have stamped their genetic and cultural mark such as most of Mediterranean (either directly or through its cultural child called Roman civilization).
What do Greeks, Albanians and others think about all this?
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All Glory goes to ancient Hellas
All Glory goes to the true supreme God - Zeus
Georgios3377
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(8/4/03 3:57 am) Reply
RE: I must call this finding
First i must say that i am an atheist.
You are dweling in the past.
The Olympians are dead. And we are not ancient Greeks anymore. We have mixed with many other nations contrary to what you belive. Romans, Slavs, Bulgarians, Celts, Turkish, Armenian, Arabs all have been absorbed within the greek population and they have become Hellinised. As a matter of fact contrary to what Neo-Nazi little smucks say the addition of new genes to the gene pool of a nation invigorates it and makes it stronger.
I am personally amazed on how modern greeks appear to focus on ancient greece and the hellenistic centuries. They forget that there was a byzantine empire which was actually much more powerfull and sophisticated than ancient greece. Byzantioum was after all the evolution of ancient greece into the medeval years.
Many scorn it without knowing anything about it. Byzantioum lasted for more than 11 centuries. It is the empire that survived the longest. They brought civilisation to the barbarian Slavs, Russ, Bulgarians and so many others. They became a financial superpower. The byzantine coin the Κωνσταντινάτο was considered to be the main currency of the time.
But what of christianity? You think that christianity does not have greek roots? Study the theories of the Neo-Platonic school and see the similarities. You will be amazed.
It is due to Byzantioum that we know of the ancient greeks. They were the ones that preserved their legacy. And it was Byzantioum that shown the ancient greeks to the west. People like Πλύθων Γεμιστός, and so many others that added impetus to the european renaisance.
After the glory came the decay. The masters became the slaves. And then just like the phoenix out of its ashes a new breed of Hellens came out. Us.
But unfortunately we dwell in the glory of the past. We look at teh graves of our ancestors and we think we are them. We are not! They are long dead and we keep remebering them doing nothing for ourselves. I am afraid your opinions about reviving the ancient greek religion is wrong. You are one of those people who live in the past.
I live now and i look for the future. And understand this the future will bring out only two new gods: Man and his daughter Science. Belive what you want. You are outdated by 2000 years already.
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"True hellene, i sense you have read "To arvanites kai neo elenizmou neoterou" by Aristidh P Kola. Atleast your thought regarding religion and freedom are indetical to his, and u use the term "true/authentic hellene" like he does. Hopwever, just a question. The title is "To arvanites kai i dori tou neoterou elenizmou" or in albo "arvanitet dhe prejardhja e grekeve".
Sorry to say that I haven't read that.
Quote:Georgios3377
" First i must say that i am an atheist. You are dweling in the past. The Olympians are dead. And we are not ancient Greeks anymore. We have mixed with many other nations contrary to what you belive. Romans, Slavs, Bulgarians, Celts, Turkish, Armenian, Arabs all have been absorbed within the greek population and they have become Hellinised. As a matter of fact contrary to what Neo-Nazi little smucks say the addition of new genes to the gene pool of a nation invigorates it and makes it stronger. "
Olympians are as dead as we let them be dead. Same could be said Christ if somehow his religion wasn't forced on Greeks and Romans. We are mainly the same as the ancient Greeks for the ancient Greeks (and Romans their children) were more numerous than the barbarians. Greek Haimos (Balkans) numbered 7 million people at the time of the barbarian invasion while all the barbarians invading Balkans numbered as following;
-Slavs 100,000 (1400 years ago), Slavs didn't even leave a major mark on Balkan 'Slavic; countries forget about Hellas. Only minor presence in Pannonia.
-Turkic bulgars 20,000 (1300 years ago), their presence is only minor in NE Bulgaria.
-Earlier Celts 200,000 who were later hellenized in Galatia (more than 2000 years ago), parts of central
Anatolia - former Phrygia later renamed Galatia.
-Turks numbered the most 2m (around 1000 years ago)
at the tame when Greek Anatolia numbered 10-15 million and Turks racially (mixed that is) remain only in central Anatolia Konya region.
Armenian are originally from Hellenic Phrygians and Hellenic Thracians while Arabs never made a racial impact on Balkans and not even in Anatolia except in its SE coastal part next to Syria. The people that people confuse when they think of darker Aegean Greeks are Mediterranean minoans (among the oldest , 5000 years old, and most advanced cultures of its time, older only being Egypt and Mesopotamia, each 7000 years old) which whom ancient proto-Hellenes (old almost 5000 years) mixed to create ancient Greeks and us. Minoans were the primary reason of advancement of ancient Greece.
Sorry to burst your bobble pal but this "addition of new genes to the gene pool of a nation invigorates it and makes it stronger" didn't happen as much as you think. Greeks were advanced since Minoans times and had cities, organized state and could create states that could hold many millions of people (just like Romans) UNLIKE MUCH MORE PRIMITIVE BARBARIANS (who were so primitive that they were more hunter-gatherers than cultivators) thus there could not have been that many barbarians to mix with.
Todays populations of Skopians and Bulgarians are nothing more than slavonized Greeks what is more than obvious from their racial makeup (mainly eastern meds) as well as culturally while their respective language contain a strong Hellenic influence (pronunciation, vocabulary and even grammar to a smaller extent). Albanians are clearly of Hellenistic Illyrian origin thus Hellenes for the most part while majority of anatolian 'Turks aren't even Turk so mixing with any of these people would have in effect been mixing with other Greeks.
Quote:Georgios3377:
I am personally amazed on how modern greeks appear to focus on ancient greece and the hellenistic centuries. They forget that there was a byzantine empire which was actually much more powerfull and sophisticated than ancient greece. Byzantioum was after all the evolution of ancient greece into the medeval years.
Ancient Greece is the pinnacle of world civilization and any Hellene would be a fool to ignore that part of our superior history (superior to the rest of Europe that is for sure ) . Nothing was more sophisticated than ancient Greece and any as you put it "sophistication" of the eastern Roman empire was under direct or indirect influence of ancient Greece without which Byzantines would have not been possible. I would say that Byzantium was rather stagnation for only Athens 5 century BC produced more brain power than all of Byzantine centuries combined, sorry but it is just a fact - Semitic Christianity didn't want people advancing too much although we were lucky not to have been blond followers of the Semitic religion the way our brothers from western Roman region were that made them go back to dark ages.
Quote:Georgios3377:
Many scorn it without knowing anything about it. Byzantioum lasted for more than 11 centuries. It is the empire that survived the longest. They brought civilisation to the barbarian Slavs, Russ, Bulgarians and so many others. They became a financial superpower. The byzantine coin the Κωνσταντινάτο was considered to be the main currency of the time.
Yet it was the same Christians that were almost a direct reason for the demise of Byzantines in the form of primitive crusader hoards that terrorized Haimos (Balkans) and weakened Byzantines to such extent that it was relatively easy pray to nomadic Turks. As I said Byzantines were more advanced because Greek spirit didn't allow Semitic church that much control and influence although it is partly churches fault for fall of the city for not providing funds for the defense of Konstantinopoli from Turks ('Let God provide' or 'God will decide' were their words I believe).
Quote:Georgios3377:
But what of christianity? You think that christianity does not have greek roots? Study the theories of the Neo-Platonic school and see the similarities. You will be amazed.
Christianity started out as a JEWISH SECT thus it has JEWISH ROOTS, it was later modified in a major way by Romans so it would be more acceptable to them (including us since at the time we were all Romans) for Romans would not have accepted Jesus as a Jew so then came that son of the God story even though it is known that Jesus had father (human father of course ) and siblings but those parts are not suitable for the ultra-sensitive ears of the church (which acted worse that nazis in the middle ages and kept most of Europe, primarily the western part, in absolute intellectual and civilizational darkness).
Thus why would I as a Hellene choose some fake-modified-dogmatic-Semitic religion over one that is progressive-adapting-vigorous true Hellenic religion (if I was to choose one that is) that was custom made for Hellenes UNLIKE some Semitic religions that have no connections with non-Semites.
Each region have their own custom-made religions for them and I don't believe in this one world religion crap. All the highly organized religions need to be dissolved for they only cause wars, pain and spilled blood as well as tyranny (feudalism) and abuse and murder in the most grotesque manner (inquisition).
Quote:Georgios3377:
It is due to Byzantioum that we know of the ancient greeks. They were the ones that preserved their legacy. And it was Byzantioum that shown the ancient greeks to the west. People like Πλύθων Γεμιστός, and so many others that added impetus to the european renaisance.
But it wasn't Byzantium that CREATED ancient Greece, it can be also said that Moors of Spain adapted many ancient Greek ideas and passed them on to Europe but it is still illogical to say that is a perfect reason now to become moors and Muslim for it was THEM that adapted OUR ideas and not vice versa as was the case with Byzantium so I say go after the source not some cheap copy that is ashamed to worship its own gods in the name of Semitic one.
Quote:Georgios3377:
After the glory came the decay. The masters became the slaves. And then just like the phoenix out of its ashes a new breed of Hellens came out. Us.
And to continue the path of the ancient Hellenes they need to continue where they stopped for it was them that were by far the most advanced and porogresive society EVER IN HUMAN HISTORY EVER.
Quote:Georgios3377:
But unfortunately we dwell in the glory of the past. We look at teh graves of our ancestors and we think we are them. We are not! They are long dead and we keep remebering them doing nothing for ourselves. I am afraid your opinions about reviving the ancient greek religion is wrong. You are one of those people who live in the past.
I just wish we were as progressive and intellectually advanced and daring as our ancient ancestors but all the chains that bind us (you guessed it one is the Semitic religion) need to be unraveled.
Quote:Georgios3377:
I live now and i look for the future. And understand this the future will bring out only two new gods: Man and his daughter Science. Belive what you want. You are outdated by 2000 years already.
You see to you religion is something that is dogmatic and backwards (you are thinking in terms of Semitic religions). Hellenic religion was never more than just symbolic when compared to Semitic religions and never went around torching people for stating that the world is round. Thus it is not a fundamentalist religion that stopped progress, never was and never will be.
True Helene
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(8/5/03 8:47 pm) Reply
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A headless statue of 'supreme' Zeus sits at the entrance of a cave at the archaeological site of Dion, Greece, near Mount Olympus, about 65 kilometers (40 miles) south of Thessaloniki, Greece in this July 2003 handout photo. The 2,400-year-old statue was found along with 14 columns depicting eagles and the first known temple dedicated to Hypsistos, or supreme, Zeus, head of Greece's ancient gods. (AP Photo/HO, Pantermalis)
rex362 Registered User
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(11/21/03 7:07 pm) Reply
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now you tell us.....after all the religous fighting and deaths .....maybe you would like 2 be the high priest of zeus....lol.....
CHRISTIANITY IMPOSED ON GREECE BY SWORD
) . Nothing was more sophisticated than ancient Greece and any as you put it "sophistication" of the eastern Roman empire was under direct or indirect influence of ancient Greece without which Byzantines would have not been possible. I would say that Byzantium was rather stagnation for only Athens 5 century BC produced more brain power than all of Byzantine centuries combined, sorry but it is just a fact - Semitic Christianity didn't want people advancing too much although we were lucky not to have been blond followers of the Semitic religion the way our brothers from western Roman region were that made them go back to dark ages. 
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