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AlbanianTriology
Amicus
Posts: 2657
(8/11/07 12:13 am)


 Arnautovic Surname
i have seen alot serb and bosnak (scholar, pllayers ect) with this surname...

look here:

www.google.com/search?svn...a=N&tab=iw

I found another interesing story that arnautovic is tribes of great serbian clan Karašorševię...that some serbs claim that Karašorševię were by Albanians origin from Klimenti tribes.

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Edited by: AlbanianTriology at: 8/11/07 12:14 am
AlbanianTriology
Amicus
Posts: 2658
(8/11/07 12:14 am)


 Re: Arnautovic Surname
Tijana Arnautovię ...she was Miss Canada (serbian)

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Edited by: AlbanianTriology at: 8/11/07 12:20 am
AlbanianTriology
Amicus
Posts: 2659
(8/11/07 12:19 am)


 Re: Arnautovic Surname
Kete pune duhet ta marrim serioze...per asimilimin e klanit karagjorgjevic jo vetem edhe serbet qe po pretendojne por edhe mbiemri/nenklani arnautovic po perputhet...

Dmth udheheqesi i pare i klanit karagjorgjevic kishte qene Din Marash Klimenti.

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Blood and Iron 
Amicus
Posts: 523
(8/11/07 8:37 am)


 lol
Arnaut = Albanian (in Turkish language)

ic = ending meaning "little" or "son of"

So Arnautovic means son of an Albanian in Serbian.

Fender666 
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Posts: 4031
(8/11/07 10:39 am)


 Re: lol
^^:lol

Your kidding aren't you?

Here's a quick lesson, generally speaking and I am speaking in broad terms here, surnames that end in "vic" are mostly but not always regarded as Serbian.Surnames ending in "ic" without the v are mostly but once again not always Croatian. I can tell you that the "ic" does not mean " the son of".

Thanks for the laugh anyway Blood and Iron.;)


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Edited by: Fender666  at: 8/11/07 10:43 am
Albanian Soul
amicus
Posts: 2242
(8/11/07 11:32 am)


 Re: lol
You retard, get rid of that sig before I make aadmin remove it.
its to big.



Ēameria is situated geographically on the north-west Greece. This beautiful region, has a rich Albanian heretage and it was only in the 1912 that is was annexed unfairly and unjustifiable to Greece. This was the aftermath of the decision of the great powers to give Ēameria to Greece, just as the great powers had made similar decisions to give Kosova and other Albanian territories to Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro.



Fjalėn peng pat lėnė dhe besėn e burrit "nė Kosovė do t'kthehem ditėn e flamurit"

Qka po bohet sot n“kosovė, a ka burr qe din me fol. Me mbrojt vlerat e ushtris, o mos me i qit marre Shqiprisė!
Dijedon
Senior Moderator
Posts: 10011
(8/11/07 1:37 pm)


 Re: lol
Fender

You should learn more about your Slav heritage. Serbian/Croatian names ending in either -vic or -ic is called a patronym. So, somebody named Petrovic most probably had an ancestor named Petar, and his son would be known as Jovan Petrovic (using an example). Read more on the South Slav section.

But I guess, being the amateur that you are, that you took it literally and thought "vic does not mean son, the word sin does" -- well, in old Slavic, the suffix -vic simply denoted something smaller, ie. Petrovic would mean 'little Peter', Peter's small offspring.

Back to the topic; Arnautovic in this respect might be indicative of Albanian ancestry. The term Arnaut is the Turkish corruption of the old Greek term for Albanians, namely Arvanites (compare to Albanian Arbėresh and Slav Arbanas). I do not see a reason for a Bosniak, Serb or Croat to have this surname other than the fact that their ancestors/some of their ancestors were either Albanians or somehow involved with Albanians in a way or another. Likewise, you occasionally have Albanian surnames such as Boshnjaku or Gorani, indicating Bosniak or Gorani origins/ancestry.

As for the Karadjordjevic family; it is indeed claimed that George Petrovic, as Karadjordje's real name was, had Albanian ancestry. It is claimed that he descended from a certain Din Marashi of the Kelmendi clan. This would not be surprising since the Kelmendi clan has been present in Serbian lands and Sanjak. The first time occured at the year of 1700, when Hudaverdi pasha forcefully placed the Kelmendi highlanders in the Peshter plains of Sanjak, so that he could control them and hinder them from raiding the towns and lowlands. The second wave came 1737 when Austro-Hungarian defeat at the hands of the Ottomans made the Kelmendi highlanders flee together with the Serbs towards Central and Northern Serbia to avoid retaliation. If I am not mistaken, they were led by their Archbishop, Mikel (Michael) Suma.

The Kelmendi who arrived and settled in Austro-Hungarian territory were recruited as frontier warriors and were given the villages of Hrtkovci and Nikinci to live in, in the Srem/Srijem region west of Belgrade. With the succession of Catholic Albanian priests, they maintained their language and customs, only gradually being transformed into 'Croats'. A census 1900 recorded 55 elderly speakers of the Albanian language. In 1968, an Albanian researcher heard an old lady recite an Albanian lullaby in Hrtkovci. In 1992, Serbian extremists drove out the 'Croats' of Hrtkovci from Serbia, changing the name of the village into 'Srbislavci' ('Serb-glorifiers'). And so, the descendants of the Kelmendi highlanders who had risked their lives fighting for the Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church, were now expelled from Serbian soil.

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tė prekim urtėsinė,
tė zėm udhėn e mbarė,
tė ngjallim Shqipėrinė.

Shqipėria ka qenė
dhe do tė jetė,
po sot nė ditėt tona
tė metė tė mos ketė.

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gjithėnjė Shqipėrinė
ish fort mirė qėmoti,
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