Continuity of Slavic existence in history
My goal is to present new historical sources and materials based on transhistorical orientation and multidisciplinary approach which accepts results that are so far realized and which ignore dogmatic and daily-political limits, and taking into consideration all new efforts based on strictly scientific laws with the goal of sheding new light on old Slavic civilization and true meaning of her contribution to development of universal civilization.
Affirmation of newest research results is inevitable, because new scientific approach includes consultations with multidisciplinary experts (archeology, linguistics, mathematics, anthropology, history, geography, arts, physics, genetics, climatologists ...).
Theories that have so far been put forward, including all the consequences they brought, didn’t gave correct answer on questions such as: Why Slavs are so numerous and spread on such a wide geographic space, etc.
We need to penetrate into new sources and reveal the true ones- scientifically established but rejected, hidden truths that could give a better image of the development of Paleo/Proto Slavic civilization.
I would first introduce- The Paleolithic Continuity Theory (PCT) on Indo-European origins, by Mario Alinei
Since the beginning of Comparative Philology, the origin of Indo-Europeans and their arrival in Euro-Asiatic, historical locations have been a controversial issue.
Two major current theories suggest a late invasion from East Europe in the Bronze Age or a demic dispersion from Anatolia as consequence of early Neolithic civilization. There is, however, no archaeological evidence of invasions, European Neolithic is essentially a local development, and the latest outcome of genetic research demonstrates that 80% of European genetic stock goes back to Paleolithic. In addition, both archaeologists and linguists of the Uralic area now concur on a Paleolithic origin of Uralic people and languages in Eurasia.
By using different approaches and through independent research, we have obtained converging evidence that indicates an uninterrupted, local continuity of Indo-European languages and populations from prehistoric to the present times. We argue that the appearance of Indo-Europeans coincides with the first regional settlement of Homo Sapiens Sapiens in the Middle/Upper Paleolithic, and we propose a comprehensive, interdisciplinary framework for the Indo-European origins, the Paleolithic Continuity Theory (PCT). And particularly the linguists of the workgroup find that the extraordinarily rich record of Indo-European languages and cultures can be read in a scientifically satisfactory way only in the light of the evolutionary depth and periodization scope provided by the PCT.
(e) The totally absurd thesis of the so called ‘late arrival’ of the Slavs in Europe must be replaced by the scenario of Slavic continuity from Paleolithic, and the demographic growth and geographic expansion of the Slavs can be explained, much more realistically, by the extraordinary success, continuity and stability of the Neolithic cultures of South-Eastern Europe (the only ones in Europe that caused the formation of tells) (Alinei 2000, fc.b) Edited by: Gavrilo of Net at: 8/15/06 9:48 pm
My goal is to present new historical sources and materials based on transhistorical orientation and multidisciplinary approach which accepts results that are so far realized and which ignore dogmatic and daily-political limits, and taking into consideration all new efforts based on strictly scientific laws with the goal of sheding new light on old Slavic civilization and true meaning of her contribution to development of universal civilization.
Old man, unless you're prepared to say Serbs are the original Babylonians, you have absolutely no claim in connecting Serb "history" (documented history from 8th century to present) to " Slavic civilization and true meaning of her contribution to development of universal civilization ". Also Serb "contribution to civilization" was actually the unravelling of civilization and more of the same in recent years...death, ethnic cleansing, assassinations, world wars, and more of the same. Also, your histories is nothing but the repetition of the same cycles of death and destruction. Perhaps this time it's on its way down, never to return.
Re: serbia's downward spiral into hell. To: Albanesehoney
Quote:Albanesehoney said:
``Old man, unless you're prepared to say Serbs are the original Babylonians, you have absolutely no claim in connecting Serb "history" (documented history from 8th century to present) to " Slavic civilization and true meaning of her contribution to development of universal civilization ". Also Serb "contribution to civilization" was actually the unravelling of civilization and more of the same in recent years...death, ethnic cleansing, assassinations, world wars, and more of the same. Also, your histories is nothing but the repetition of the same cycles of death and destruction. Perhaps this time it's on its way down, never to return.``
And, that is your comment?
Faced with facts you don’t have anything clever to say. Isn’t it?
Why you simply don’t ask for more informations?
You Semitic Albanian intruders, always choose harder way to learn.
Seams to me that you hate Serbs. Listen, Gavrilo would suggest you something for relaxation. You need one good Sebian Jeb- brain version.
Hire is one song for you:
(Modification of Russell Senior`s originall poem but, presented in different time)
SRPSKI JEB (Serbian Jeb)
Village maiden picking mushrooms
By the woodland lakes and brooks
She don't want no Shiptar imbecile.
All she wants is Srpski jeb, hoi!
Village maiden picking mushrooms
By the woodland lakes and brooks
She don't want no Chechen freaks.
All she wants is Srpski jeb, hoi!
Village maiden picking mushrooms
By the woodland lakes and brooks
She don't want no ugly Mujahedin.
All she wants is Srpski jeb, hoi!
(repeat until brain begins to melt)
I hope that this can help you to find peace in you heart and brain.
You got your penetration of Serbian Jeb and I now can back to topic.
I noticed that there are many beautiful people on this forum who deserve to receive valid informations.
So, please Albanese don’t humiliate yourself and don’t interrupt me anymore.
VINCA- CENTRE OF THE NEOLITHIC CULTURE OF DANUBIAN REGION, by Nikola Tasic, Dragoslav Srejovic, Bratislav Stojanovic
``The Belo Brdo archaeological site in Vinca, on the right bank of the Danube, 14 km downstream from Beograd [Capital town of Serbia], covers some ten hectares of land. A high löss terrace and cultural layers are falling down towards periphery, thus forming a tell which rises high above the surroundings. The position of the site favoured permanent habitation, with a river on the one side for fishing and a valley of the Bolecica on the other, connecting Vinca with the hinterland rich in minerals and ores (Avala, Rudnik), hunting animals and fertile land. Geographical location of Vinca made its inhabitants mediators between the cultures blossoming in the south as far as the Aegean and in the north up to Central Europe. Significant events and changes in material and spiritual culture are mirrored in individual levels of cultural layers of some 10 meters of deposit accumulated through the long time people stayed in this area. It is understandable then that Vinca is singled out in the archaeological science as a reliable benchmark in examining the emergence and development of a number of Neolithic and Copper Ages cultures in the middle and south-eastern Europe.``
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``Vinca is the largest and most comprehensively excavated Neolithic settlement in Europe. It was a metropolis with a flourishing culture, at the place where across the valleys of the Bolecica and Danube Rivers a joyful relief of Sumadija meets with the plain of Banat. Between 4500 and 3500 BC it was a major prehistoric settlement. Thus, Vinca is a notion signifying nowadays the peak of Neolithic farming settled culture in Europe.``
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``Available archaeological material implies that the first colonists of Vinca have had good neighbourly relations both with the communities in the Pannonian basin and southern part of the Balkan Peninsula. The oldest settlement in Vinca was neither fenced nor fortressed, and the relics from the tent-like huts are associated with painstaking but serene living of peasants, whose daily life consisted of hard work, making stone tools and various ceramic dishes and naturally tending their land, animals, and catch. The population of the oldest settlement in Vinca, however, could not have enjoyed the fruit of their labour for long. The chain movements of the Neolithic population of Thracia and lower Danubian valley started already in the mid-5th millennium BC and somewhat later reached the areas around Vinca.``
``By courtesy of our reader, who forwarded the article to Carantha; Our question is: Did it pertain to the Vends?
Archaeologists have discovered Europe's oldest civilisation, a network of dozens of temples, 2,000 years older than Stonehenge and the Pyramids. More than 150 gigantic monuments have been located beneath the fields and cities of modern-day Germany, Austria and Slovakia. They were built 7,000 years ago, between 4800 BC and 4600 BC. Their discovery, revealed today by The Independent, will revolutionise the study of prehistoric Europe, where an appetite for monumental architecture was thought to have developed later than in Mesopotamia and Egypt.
In all, more than 150 temples have been identified. Constructed of earth and wood, they had ramparts and palisades that stretched for up to half a mile. They were built by a religious people who lived in communal longhouses up to 50 metres long, grouped around substantial villages. Evidence suggests.
Their civilisation seems to have died out after about 200 years and the recent archaeological discoveries are so new that the temple building culture does not even have a name yet. Excavations have been taking place over the past few years - and have triggered a re-evaluation of similar, though hitherto mostly undated, complexes identified from aerial photographs throughout central Europe.
Archaeologists are now beginning to suspect that hundreds of these very early monumental religious centres, each up to 150 metres across, were constructed across a 400-mile swath of land in what is now Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and eastern Germany. The most complex excavated so far - located inside the city of Dresden - consisted of an apparently sacred internal space surrounded by two palisades, three earthen banks and four ditches.
The monuments seem to be a phenomenon associated exclusively with a period of consolidation and growth that followed the initial establishment of farming cultures in the centre of the continent. It is possible that the newly revealed early Neolithic monument phenomenon was the consequence of an increase in the size of - and competition between - emerging Neolithic tribal or pan-tribal groups, arguably Europe's earliest mini-states.``
REMAINS OF ANCIENT SLAVIC CITY LOST IN BALTIK
Volume 56 Number 4, July/August 2003
by Shareen Blair Brysac
Searching for a vanished city that flourished during northern Europe's not-so-Dark Ages
``Archaeologist Klaus Goldman has scoured historic maps, like this one from 1633, to locate the lost city of Vineta. (Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin; Photo: Ruth Schacht)
Once upon a time, on the Baltic coast of what is now Germany, there arose a city called Vineta. The largest in Europe, it was said to be richer than Constantinople. Travelers and merchants came from all over the old world to live and trade there--Jews from Cordoba, Slavs from Rus, Vikings from Scandinavia. Together with local Wends, Slavonic Pomeranians, and Saxons, they lived in multicultural harmony. But sometime during the twelfth century A.D., Vineta mysteriously sank into the Baltic.
Vineta's wealth inspired exaggerated descriptions in both medieval sources and Nordic sagas. The city--its population somewhere between 40,000 and 60,000--was said to have had twelve gates. Its swains sported coats trimmed with furs and hats decorated with feathers. The women swanned about in velvet and silk, with heavy gold and silver chains studded with jewels around their necks. Even the pigs ate from golden troughs. While the reality of life in Vineta may not have been so glamorous, there would appear to be little doubt that the city existed. But how could it have suddenly disappeared? And where are its remains? For nearly two centuries, historians and archaeologists have argued over its whereabouts. Now a Berlin scientist claims to have located the site.
Klaus Goldmann, a 67-year-old, balding bear of a man given to stoic sighs, is a veteran archaeologist who recently retired as senior curator of Berlin's Museum of Pre- and Early History. Along with economist and journalist Günter Wermusch and in collaboration with the Hamburg Technical University, he is seeking to pinpoint the location of the lost city. For that, Goldmann is relying on medieval documents and maps and modern aerial and satellite photographs.
Shareen Blair Brysac is a contributing editor for ARCHAEOLOGY.``
REFINEMENTS AND FUTURE DIRECTIONS IN VENETIC SCHOLARSHIP
Charles Bryant-Abraham, PhD, FSO
The following is an English translation of a talk given at the World Slovenian Congress at Ptuj Castle, near Maribor, Slovenia, on the 20/21 September 2001, published in JAMS XVIII, 2001 (The American Journal of Ancient and Medieval Studies)
``Yet what is so very intriguing in Jeza's Scandanavian/Venetic word-pairs is the indirect. though still inconclusive, testimony of the two languages in contact, a testimony strengthening the Venetic hypothesis of the origin of Norse runes. To be brief, let me cite from the following:
"It has been established that a number of runes which are contemporaneous with the oldest of those found in the Danish bogland have been discovered along a line of country passing through Pomerania, Brandenburg, Volhynia and Rumania. Moreover, these discoveries include archaic objects the primary forms of which do not hail from western Europe but are found in southeastern Europe, on the northern coast of the Black sea and along the lower Danube and in Carinthia. From this fact, and also from the close agreement of the forms of the letters in these texts, especially the Negau helmets, with those of the subalpine alphabets of northern Italy, and the agreement in date (c. 250 B.C.), the conclusion was drawn simultaneously by a number of scholars that the runes came to Scandinavia from central Europe and that the script itself was of subalpine origin.”
In other words, it does now seem probable that the early Scandinavians not only borrowed vocabulary from the Veneti, but the art of runic writing itself.``
One of the luminaries presenting a paper at Kovarid was Mario Alinei, Dean Emeritus of the University of Utrecht and director of several linguistic reviews. He is the progenitor of the Theory of Continuity, providing incontrovertible evidence that Indo-Europeans have lived in Europe basically in the same territories they occupy today ever since the Stone Age. For our purposes, I quote just two of the more poignant statements from his works:
“I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology, namely, that of the ‘arrival’ of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live. The only logical conclusion can be that the southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the Slavic western and eastern branches…. Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration for the Slavs… .”
THE “TAVOLA DA ESTE” INSCRIPTION, by Anthony Ambrozic, Giancarlo Tomezzoli
``A division, translation, linguistic examination, and evaluation of the Tavola da Este inscription is presented. It appears that the artifact’s votive character may have served as a prayer formula at a religious site in the vicinity of Padua.
Dated from the period between the end of the 5th and the beginning of the 4th century BC (~ 400 BC), the thin plate of bronze (23.5 x 29 cm.) – see Fig. 1 – was discovered in the 1970’s during excavations for the reconstruction of The Civic Hospital of Este, Veneto (Italy). Now stored at the Museo Nazionale Atestino at Este, the cylindrical man-made artifact is estimated to be only half of the original size. According to A. Marinetti [1], whose transcription shall be used in deciphering, division and translation, the alphabet employed, as well as the artifact, came to Este from the area of Padua, seemingly at a time when the writing on it was no longer understood. It appears that the bronze plate was cut up for eventual reuse.``
That’s all for now. Edited by: Gavrilo of Net at: 7/6/06 1:50 am
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