Moj drugar je iz Dalmacije, neznam tacno koji grad, ali mi kaze da jednog dana ce dalmacija biti nezavisna. Kaze da Dalmatinci mrze Hrvate. Kad pogledas, Pre nekoliko stotinu godina, Juzni deo dalmacije je bio Srpski, a severni deo pravo Dalmatisnki, a sve tamo kod zagreba i slavonije su bili Pravi Hrvati.

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Are there people in Dalmatia that consider themselves Dalmatians and not Croatians? Are there any Serbs that live in Dalmatia?

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Kajkavci/Zagrebcani iz prave Hrvatske (Zagreb, Krizevci i Varazdin) su jedini pravi Hrvati. Svi ostali regioni u danasnjoj Hrvatskoj su stare Srpske zamlje a, njihovo stanovnistvo su Srbi. Ti Srbi zapadno od reke Drine, koji su proglaseni za Hrvate- zrtva su Zagrebacke (Hrvatske) hegemonije.

Zagrebacko plemstvo i inteligencija spremno su prihvatili Austrijsko/Nemacku podrusku u asimilaciji i unistavanju Srpstva. Sve zarad sopstvenih sebicnih hegemonistikih ciljeva. Oni su u sirenju hrvatstva videli sansu sopstvenog bogacenja na racun ranjenog srpskog naroda (bilo Katolickog, bilo Pravoslavnog) koji je u jednom trenutku ostao obezglavljen i sklon samounistavajucim potezima.


Dalje, enegma je ko su pravi Hrvati/Kajkavci. Da li su zaista razlicit etnos od Srba. Mozda su prosto otpali od Srba vrlo rano (Prema svetskim enciklopedijama: Srbi> Sarmati> Carmati> Croati> Hrvati). Sasvim je moguce da su oduvek bili poseban etnos ali da im je eto jezik slucajno slican srpskom. Mozda su oni u stvari Slovenci, ko to zna. Mozda su jednostavno mesavina Slovenaca i Srba pa zato j*** i nas i njih. Veliki su to j***** i zato treba da su sami.

Sami da, ali prvo da vrate tudje. Da vrate lepo demokratski, kada se za to steknu uslovi i Srbi Katolici se probude i odluce da referendumom pobegnu iz Hrvatske (Zagrebacke) hegemonije zajedno sa svojim teritorijama i spoje se sa Srbijom u jednu novu slobodnu srpsku zemlju.


Hire are interesting informations and links for you on English:

Population of: Dalmatia, Dubrovnik, Lika, Banija, Kordun, Slavonia, Baranja (all in today`s Croatia), Istria (in today`s Croatia and Slovenia), Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Malesija (North Albania), Kumanovo (North Macedonia)- are Serbian population.


There were/are Serbs who were/are Catholics. And I don`t point on Serbs who become Catholics by force. I point on Serbs who were old Catholics from the moment when Catholicism appeared in history.

Nobleman’s from region of Croatia (three towns- Zagreb, Krizevci and Varazdin) expand their influence (with German/Austrian support and using Ottoman occupation of crucial Serbian regions) and with time declare all Catholic Serbs as Croats.

Some Catholic Serbs were brutally forced to accept Croatian identity, some were assimilated with time and some were simply proclaimed as Croats when Austro-Hungaria annexed Bosnia and Herzegovina, Dubrovnik, great deal of Dalmatia and Slavonia.

Later, Croatian ustashe committed mass genocide on Orthodox Serbs, converts some Orthodox into Catholics and expel some of them from their land (1941-1945 & 1991-1995).

So, Greater Croatia- puppet German state was created and exists even today using fear and hate for her fundaments.


If we look on the events in Montenegro we understand, that Greater Croatia continues to expand. I starting to believe that existence of Croatian state and expansionism of its pro-German concept represent eternal and ultimate threat for existence of Slavic Serbian nation.


Fragments:


The Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes is founded

Edited by: Elizabeth Caliendo
Written by: Natilie M Small
April 21, 1997

www.thenagain.info/WebChr...om.CP.html

``By November 26, 1918, Vojvodina and Montenegro had announced their union with Serbia. Both Bosnia-Herzegovina and Dalmatia gave the National Council in Zagreb, Croatia an ultimatum: reach a decision within five days or they, too, would join Serbia. The National Council found itself in a very arduous situation-- it had no real control over Croatia and Slovenia, troops in Croatia were becoming restless and Italian troops were quickly occupying the Croatian and Slovenian lands which the Allies had promised them. Left with no other viable option, the National Council agreed to a meeting in Belgrade, on November 28, to discuss a union with Serbia. By December 1, 1918, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes was formed, with Prince Regent Aleksandar Karadjordjevic named as its sovereign.``


D. Mrkich, on the base of Nikola Tesla biography...

www.serbnatlfed.org/Archi...nyears.htm

Tesla`s father in one private letter to a friend:

``Lika is, according to its territory and population, large, and is made up of only Serbs, or if you like, of Serbs and Croats, of Orthodox and Catholic faith. In Lika, there are more Serbs of Orthodox than of Roman Catholic faith.``

``…in Gospic, in 1941, the Croat Government Minister announced his program for the solution of the Serb question in Croatia: one third to be killed, one third to be converted to Catholicism, and one third to be expulsed. Following decades of ethnocide, the program was accomplished in 1995 when, from August 4-7, 212,000 Serbs from western Krajina were ethnically cleansed - with full support of western governments.``


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA, editions 1907, 1908, 1912

www.newadvent.org/cathen/index.html

``…While every other race in the Balkans, with the exception of the Western Serbs, called Hroats (Croats), went over to schism, the Roman Catholic faith remained secure in the fastnesses of northern Albania.``

``…The country title remained, but the population of today's Croatia is predominantly Catholic Serb…``

``…Since 1848 the Catholic Serbs, who are in large part subjects of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, have been under the spiritual jurisdiction of the Bishop of Diakovo, in Slavonia. Although freedom of religion was constitutionally guaranteed by the Congress of Berlin, the position of the Catholic Church is a disadvantageous one, as the Orthodox clergy put various difficulties in the way of parochial work…``


Encyclopedia Britannica Online

encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Serbs

``Some ethnologists consider that the distinct Serb and Croatian identities relate to religion rather than ethnicity.``


Serbian Territories within the Boundaries of the former SR of Croatia

www.rastko.org.yu/istorij...oatia.html

``When one observes and analyses adequate historical and other sources, ethnic maps and statistics before World War I, between the two World Wars and the post-war period, one notices that the Serbs live on a continuous territory within the boundaries of the former SR Croatia, precisely from the close environs of Zadar, Biograd, and Sibenik across the regions of Ravni Koran, Bukovica, the Knin region, the greater part of Lika, Kordun and Banija to the Sava river in the region of Pounje. The Krajina covers most of this territory. This is the vastest Serbian area in the former Croatia.``


Relationship Towards Serbian Monuments in Konavle, by Djordje Capin

www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-...vli_e.html

``When Konavle came under the rule of Austria in 1815 began a systematic action of denationalization and uprooting of ancient Serbian customs and destroying or remodeling of Serbian monuments. The action had lasted until the fall of Austria-Hungary in 1918 and continued with more intensity during the short rule of "NDH" (independent state of Croatia) and after during the communist Socialist Republic of Croatia in the former SFR Yugoslavia. All the time until the beginning of Austro-Hungarian annexation and even later the term "Croatia" or "Croatian" is completely unknown in the region of Konavle. Not until the second half of the nineteenth century when all Roman-Catholics who spoke Serbian language were announced Croatians gradually they began to declare themselves under the pressure of authorities and Church as Croats.``


THE MEDIAEVAL CULTURE OF SERBS ON THE BORDER TOWARDS WESTERN EUROPE, by Dr. Djordje Jankovic

www.rastko.org.yu/arheolo...dni_c.html

``Although Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenet wrote that the Serbs by agreement settled Roman-Byzantine Dalmatia at the time of Emperor Heraclius (610-641), archaeological data from the environs of Grahovo and Drvar speak of this as occurring at the end of the IV century. In the Early Middle Ages, the Serbs can be recognized archaeologically by their stone mounds. These are remnants of graves and monuments in the form of tumuli in which as a rule there are no remains of either burned or buried people but rather traces of a burial feast and ritual places or only hearths. From Podrinje to Lika these are frequently to be found. Near Knin (Uzdolje) shards of pottery have been found in mounds which precede the Frankish attempt to conquer the whole province of Dalmatia at the outset of the IX century.``


ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF SLAV CULTURES ON THE EASTERN ADRIATIC COAST IN MEDIEVAL TIMES

Translated from Serbian by Jelena Stojicevic

1st International Conference on Succesion of Adriatic Sea & on Borders Inside Former Yugoslavia, Belgrade, September 2003

www.rastko.org.yu/projekt...vic_e.html

``Epistles of Pope George I (590-604) indicate that the Slavs lived in the vicinity of Salona in the 600s AD and that they were penetrating Italy.(1) Paul Deacon (720-797AD) noted Slav conflicts with Langobards in Northern Italy, and the Slav attack on the Langobard Benevent in 662.(2) Written sources from the 10th century contain data related to earlier centuries; these are facts from the work De administrando imperio of czar Constantine VII Porphiorgenitus (DAI)(3) and Historia Salonitana Maior of Thomas the Archdeacon.(4) These scriptures contain stories about the Slavs on the Adriatic. Serbs were allowed to inhabit Dalmatia by czar Iraklije (610-641); The Serbs were baptized then by Roman priests.``

And then…

`` Apart from indisputably Croatian traits, which had not been recorded in Dalmatia before and which had a characteristic Franc influence, these cemeteries contain traits of previously settled Slavs, including Serbs (pottery).(14)

This layer of society was clearly differentiated in Istria, and there are no archeological cites characteristic of Croats from that period.(15)``


The Serbs in the Balkans in the light of Archaeological Findings, by Djordje Jankovic

www.rastko.org.yu/arheolo...alkans.htm

``The archaeological science has established a link, which dates back to the 7th century, between the Danube river near Brza Palanka and the region of Pljevlja.[2] This may mean that the Serbs from today's Northeast Serbia moved to the Dalmatian province of the time. This also proves that the fact about the Serbs moving from the vicinity of Salonica towards the Danube river could be true. However, there are no other data on the Serbs in the vicinity of Salonica. So, the data on the Serbs, Salonica, and Servia could be interpreted differently. Namely, the name of Salonica is similar to the name of the classical town of Solin near Split (Salona). Servia, which is around 135 km away from Salonica, bears essentially the same name as the town of Srb near Knin, located some 150 km from Solin. So, one could think that the story was about Srb and Solin, that the Serbs came first to western Dalmatia, and not to Servia and Salonica. These notions show that the problem of the accuracy of the data on the settling of the Serbs could not be solved without archaeological findings.``


GENOCIDE IN THE SERVICE OF THE IDEA OF A GREATER CROATIA

www.suc.org/culture/libra...ide/k7.htm

``Croatia's tendencies toward territorial expansion are of old date. Numerically small, also small in the area they occupy, the Croatian people had great imperial ambitions. This is borne witness by the names which they use: "Alpine Croats" (for Slovenes), "Orthodox Croats" (for Serbs), "flower of the Croatian people" (for Moslems), followed by "Turkish Croatia" (for Bosnia), "Red Croatia" (for Montenegro), "White Croatia" (for Dalmatia) and "Carinthian Croatia" (for Slovenia). These names had been carefully nurtured for hundreds of years and rooted in the consciousness of the Croat with the idea of developing in him a conviction of the greatness of Croatia and of the numerical strength of the Croats.``


RESISTANCE TO CROATIZATION

www.suc.org/culture/libra...ide/k3.htm

``How the Serbs felt within the Croatian community which did not recognise them, which oppressed them and endeavoured to suppress all their national singularities, may be illustrated by the words of young Nikola Sumonja, the future director of the Serbian Teachers Training College at Pakrac, who wrote from Zagreb on February 10, 1883, to Misa Dimitrijevic: "You will not believe how I long for a Serbian word, for Serbian books and journals, in which I might find that which I feel I am, which might give me strength for work in my future life, which would teach me how to conduct myself and what to do in life for the people to whom I want to devote all my forces. I am to be trained to become a Serbian teacher in a community which is extremely hostile to the Serbs! Everything here is hostile; whatever is being thought, it is being thought against us; whatever is being written, it is written against us; whatever is being said, it is said against us, the Serbs. I would gladly get away from it all but it is not possible, because it is only here that I can earn my livelihood. I am Serb who wants to devote himself body and soul to his people as a teacher, and I have to listen to Croatian reproaches! If it had not been for an occasional Serbian book which comes to my hands, from which I see that the Serbs are still there, that they can still hope for a better future, if it had not been for that, I would succumb before the assaults against our name and nationality." The Serbs very early realised the true sense of the Croatian policy insofar as croatization and the creation of a big Croatian state were concerned. This is convincingly witnessed by the letter from a Great Zupan of the Zupanija of Srem, Svetozar Kusevic, addressed on February 11, 1863, to the Great Zupan of the Zupanija of Zagreb, Ivan Kukuljevic Sakcinski. With reference to the dispute about where Srem belongs and the refusal of the zupanija of Zagreb to support the decisions by the National Serbian Congress of 1861, under which Srem was to be a part of Vojvodina, Kusevic wrote to Kukuljevic: "Your explanations have generated a great mistrust of Zagreb and extreme bitterness against the Croats; the opinion is now rife that our Croat brothers are the worst enemies of the Serbs, that they hate them because of their nationality and their religion, that they wish them the same as the Hungarians, to strangle their national consciousness and on this basis to spread their own glory and might". Having warned Kukuljevic that the Serbs, "as a people equal with the Croats, cannot sit and look while the Croats deny them their political existence", told him: "Accept these words as a token of friendship and hope that our mutual love may grow stronger instead of being destroyed. I beseech you to endeavour to prevent hatred from taking over, for this is where our downfall will come. See what concessions you can make over there for you are in a better position, nor would any concession do you much harm. Try to put out the fire which is being inflamed from Zagreb, to allay the fears over here that the Croats will destroy the Serbs and spread Catholicism, otherwise believe me, there will be great bitterness with unforeseeable consequences, and history will curse him who was able to but did not prevent the evil." (Underlined by V.K.) This and many other friendly warnings from the Serbs remained the cries in the desert, because he who was able to, impelled by selfish national and narrow religious interests, not only failed to forestall the evil, but from year to year inflamed and spread it.``


WIKIPEDIA: Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Serbs

``Serbs settled the region of Bosnia in the first half of the 7th century. They were led by the Unknown Archont who Byzantine Emperor Heraclius gave Bosnia as one of the lands to settle. Bosnia had two cities, Kotor and Desnik. Bosnia was ruled by Bans and in 753 formed a territorial union with the Principality of Rascia known as Surbia (nativly called Zagorje) ruled by Grand Princes.

In 822, Prince Liudevit TransSavian of Pannonia fled to Srb in western Bosnia to the Serbian ruler from the Frankish forces and their allies. Prince Liudevit was accepted well by the Lord, but Liudevit eventually tricked him, killing him and talking his demesne for himself. The western regions were incorporated into the secular Croatian state. Although the territories east of the river of Bosna became subjected to Rascia, Bulgarian Khans imposed rule and the remaining regions of Bosnia were subsequently taken by Croatian Duke Trpimir of Dalmatia in his war against the Bulgarians in the middle of the 9th century.

Bosnia's Serbs were baptised into Christianity by Byzantine missionary of the actions of Cyril and Methodus in the 800s.

The Bosnian Chiefs abandoned the War-of-the-succession-torn Kingdom of Croatia and joined the Serbian Realm of Prince Časlav of Klonimir of the House of Vlastimir up to 931. By the end of the 948 Croatian struggles for the throne, he included all the territories to the river of Vrbas to the west and Sava to the north. The Drina area became the heart of his state. The Hungarian Kingdom had pretensions to conquer Bosnia, so Ceslav had to fend-off a Hungarian invasion in 955. Prince Ceslav saved Bosnia, but was drowned by the Hungarian forces in the river of Sava in norther Bosnia in 960.

The Serbian rule in Bosnia crumbled after Ceslav's fall. It would take King Constantine Bodin of Doclea and Dalmatia's conquest of Bosnia against the Byzantines in 1082-1085 to restore it. There he implaced a related courtier of his, Stefan as Ban, whose heirs continued to rule Bosnia. Bosnia became less independent of Duklja over the ages, only formin an allience with King Kočapar against Rascia in an attempt to reunite all former Serbian lands.``

also...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tvrtko_I

Stefan Tvrtko I (1338-1391) was a Bosnian ruler of medieval kingdom of Bosnia. He ruled in 1353–1366 and again in 1367–1377 as Ban and in 1377–1391 as the first Bosnian king. Tvrtko was a member of the House of Kotromanic.

Tvrtko I was an able Bosnian ruler and his state included most of Bosnia as well as the neighbouring territories. He transformed the country from an autonomous banate into an independent and prosperous kingdom. After he became the King, he added the title Stephanos (Stefan, the crowned one), and Miroslav or Mircea.

The title of King Tvrtko was "King of Serbs, Bosnia and the Seacoast".

Family Connections

``Tvrtko was the firstborn child of Vladislav of Kotroman and Jelena Šubic, who were married at the Šubić's stronghold of Klis in a summer long festivities open to the whole population. Tvrtko was a scion of the two most prominent families. Tvrtko was the first cousin of Elizabeth of Kotroman, the daughter of Vladislav's brother, ban Stephen II Kotromanić, and his third wife the Polish Princess Elizabeth of Kuyavia. In the times when the Plague was devastating the region, Tvrtko's mother Jelena Šubić was in charge of the household, which, among others, included her own family, including her ailing husband Vladislav, and the family of her ailing in-laws of Stephen II Kotromanić. Jelena brought up her own children, Tvrtko and his younger brother Vuk Kotromanić, and her nieces and adopted daughters Elizabeta Kotromanić and her older sister Katarina Kotromanić.

In 1350, Elizabeta Kotromanić was hand-picked to become, in 1353, the second wife of the King and later Emperor Louis I of Hungary, king of Hungary, since 1370 of Poland, etc. In 1361, Katarina was married to Herman I of Celje. They became parents of Herman II of Celje and grandparents of Barbara of Cilli, Barbara Celjska, the future wife, Queen and Empress to the Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund of Luxemburg.

All House of Kotroman siblings, Tvrtko and Elizabeta in particular, were very close, calling themselves, even in official documents, as my beloved brother and my beloved sister, respectively. Thus, Tvrtko was, in fact, the brother-in-law, vassal and trusted ally of Louis I, and the brother-in-law of Hermann I of Celje. Tvrtko was also a descendant, on both paternal and maternal sides, from the Arpad dynasty that ruled Hungary and Croatia, and House of Nemanja, that ruled the Serbian Lands and at its peak the Greek lands. Tvrtko's paternal grandmother was Jelisaveta Nemanjic, the daughter of the Catholic Serb King Stefan Dragutin of Nemanja and his wife the Arpad Princess Katalin, the daughter of the Cuman Koteny Princess christened Elizabeth and her husband Istvan V who was the son of King Bela IV. Tvrtko's maternal great-grandmother was Ursa Nemanjic, Jelisaveta's sister.

Tvrtko's maternal uncle Mladen III Šubic was married to Jelena Nemanjic, the daughter of Stefan Decanski, from Nemanjić dynasty, and Maria Palaeologina, and a half-sister of Serbian Emperor Stefan Dušan.

Tvrtko's paternal aunt Marija was the wife of Nicolae Alexandru Basarab and the grandmother of Mircea I the Elder. Tvrtko's maternal uncle Pavao III Šubić was married to Catherina Dandolo, his maternal aunt Katarina Šubic was married to Ivan Jurišic, his grand-aunt was Elizabeta Krčka (later known as Frankopan), while his grand-uncle was Jacopo Tiepolo.``


Herzegovina

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzegovina

History

In the early Middle Ages, the territory of modern Bosnia and Herzegovina was divided into many smaller more or less independent territories. Herzegovina encompasses the regions then known as the Land of Hum or Zahumlje and Travunija. The westernmost parts of Herzegovina belonged to the Kingdom of Croatia. The book De Administrando Imperio mentions Zahumlje and Travunija as two regions inhabited by Serb tribes.


Always Serbian, sometimes Latin, never Croatian

www.yugouk.co.uk/forum/re...248&t=3248

"In Dubrovnik, the main language ever since the olden days was Serbian which was spoken by commoners, as well as by nobles - in the households, as well as in the municipal administration", wrote the Croatian historian Natko Nodilo.

Natko Nodilo was, along with Franjo Rački, the founder of Croatian history. He was characterized by his loyalty to truth. Nodilo made conclusions only when he knew that the sources were trustworthy and he did not give in to pressures of Croatian statesmen of 19th century who wanted the academics to adapt their works to "historical proofs" of Croatian presence (linguistically and nationally) in the various regions. These regions included Dalmatia, Slavonia, Srem (a region just north-west of Belgrade), Lika, Kordun, Banija, Herzegovina, Bosnia, Baranja and Dubrovnik.

Natko Nodilo proved his loyalty to the truth in his work "Prvi ljetopisci i davna historiografija dubrovačka" (The First Chroniclers and Early Historiography of Dubrovnik - JAZU, Zagreb, 1883. notebook 65, pages 92-128 where he stated the next: "In Dubrovnik, the main language ever since the olden days was Serbian which was spoken by commoners, as well as by nobles - in the households, as well as in the municipal administration and Serbian was a language used in judicial matters as well."

Nodilo was correct, although we cannot find anyone in Croatia today who would dare support this statement of his. If it was admitted that the inhabitants of Dubrovnik were Serbian Catholics, all foundations of official Croatian history would be destroyed, and with that the claim of "historical right" of Croatian state to rule this city inhabited by Serbs and their cultural patrimony.

Dubrovnik's documents reveal that the official language of the Republic was Latin, but besides Latin, there is also a domestic language sometimes mentioned as Serbian, sometimes Illyrian, sometimes Slavic and Vlach but never Croatian.

The fact that the inhabitants of Dubrovnik were Roman Catholics, like Croats, does not tell us anything about how related they were. The issue is the nature of expanding Catholicism in Serbian lands; on the Adriatic coast, as well as in its background. For that, we can be thankful to the domination of Vatican, Venice, Hungary, and Austria in this part of Balkan Peninsula. We do not know whether anyone thoroughly studied the historical phenomenon that only Serbs were forbidden from practicing Catholicism!

This would be an attractive and important study due to the fact that the Catholics of Dalmatia, Slavonia, Herzegovina, Bosnia, Dubrovnik and other Serbian regions, saw themselves as Serbs up until the first decades of 20th century. They all became "Croats" over time and now there are not any among them who identify with Serbian nation.

The Institutions of Catholic Church would not have succeeded in converting the Serbian populations to Catholicism, and then to Croatianize them if they did not have the help of the above mentioned Catholic states: with pressure and privileges, and also through educational, cultural and informational activities. These states would, in order to turn the Catholic and Orthodox Serbs into Croats, use raw military and police power which reached its peak during both world wars when these efforts were helped even by Germany. The populace of Dubrovnik resisted being labeled as Croats for a long time because they simply did not want to conform to such a conversion only because they were Catholics. After all, many Germans, Italians, Spaniards, French and other nations are also Catholics but nobody would dare to call them Croats!

The populace of Dubrovnik did not allow itself to lose its national identity just because of religion. They fought for Serbdom publicly – with literature, education, printing press, as well as by activities with various societal organizations. They did that even though they had Vatican against them, as well as Venetian, Hungarian, Austrian, German and Croatian governments; in each period they resisted one or more of these mentioned governments – sometimes many at once.

There is an interesting example of an attempt to Croatianize the populace of Dubrovnik not so long ago – in 1901. The Croatian statesmen worked for that goal years before this attempt. Among others, they had their eyes on the “Institute of Saint Geronimo“ in Rome, which was established and financed by Dubrovnik’s Serbs. Pope Leo XIII was convinced that the inhabitants of Dubrovnik were (in the beginning of 20th century) ready to be initiated into Croatdom, and so by his order the above mentioned Institute was renamed into “Croatian Institute of Saint Geronimo“.

The Catholics of Dubrovnik intensely protested against this decision of Pope Leo XIII. The Pope backed off. At the time, he feared the longer-lasting controversy in further discussion about the essence of Serbdom and Croatdom, as well as Orthodoxy and Catholicism. He sent a letter of apology to Dubrovnik’s Catholics informing them that the word “Croatian“ would be taken out of the name of the Institute. Even after the apology, Pope feared that a public discussion about the nationality and language of Dubrovnik’s inhabitants might develop and so he addressed them as “Catholic Serbs“ in a telegram sent to them in 1903.

The letter and telegram of Pope Leo XIII sent to the city of Dubrovnik was published in the Serbian publication “Dubrovnik“, but those publications were sought out and destroyed by Croatian government, and so there is a question whether there are any other copies of this publication left besides those in the Vatican’s archives.

The Croatianization of Dubrovnik’s Serbs and Serbs from other regions was often done by theft of, among other things, lyric and heroic national songs which were gathered by Catholic Serbs, and even by Catholic priests. Those songs were published by “Croatian Motherland“ as “Croatian National Songs“. This behavior of “Croatian Motherland“ editors inspired a Dubrovnik Catholic (Serb) Lujo Vojinovic, the brother of poet Ivo Vojinovic, to respond in Serbian publication “Dubrovnik“ (1897, number 35) with sharp criticism of “Motherland’s“ actions, prophetically claiming the disapperance of Catholic Serbs, because of Croatian genocide to be committed against them. He ends his article with these words:

“Serbs over the Drina River! And that codeword is blindly listened to and it will be listened to until the final day which must come, a final day when a great cataclysm will destroy all the artistic fences, or... or, ohh, destroy the final bastions of Serbian national culture and that is when the Croats will be satisfied!

Herostrates (the one who set fire to Artemis’ temple in Ephes) will mention Cliomuses the protector of history.“

Slobodan Jarcevic


INTERNATIONAL OPEN ENCYCLOPEDIA

experts.about.com/e/r/ru/...covich.htm

Rudjer Boskovic

Early years

``Boscovich was born in Dubrovnik (Dalmatia, present-day Croatia), an independent republic at the time, as the seventh child of Nikola Bošković, a trader from Herzegovina; and Paula Bettera, daughter of a local noble. The family was Catholic as Nikola converted to Catholicism to marry Paula. Rudjer Boscovich's ethnicity is a controversial issue; he has Italian heritage from his mother's side, while his Slavic heritage is disputed between the Croats who claim him due to the integration of Dubrovnik in the Croatian milieu, and the Serbs who claim him due to his father's reported descent from the noble Pokrajčić family from the village of Orahov Do in lower Herzegovina. Nikola, his father, went to Novi Pazar (modern Serbia, Serbia and Montenegro) not long after Ruggero's birth, where he spent the last years of his life.``

When Rudjer/Ruggero was ten, his father died. In his fifteenth year, after passing through the usual elementary studies, he entered the Society of Jesus. On completing his novitiate, which was spent at Rome, he studied mathematics and physics at the Collegio Romano; and so brilliant was his progress in these sciences that in 1740 he was appointed professor of mathematics in the college.``


When we proved that Dubrovnik was Serbian there is no debt that Rudjer Boskovic was also Serbian. That is logic, not to mention that we have even concrete proofs and traces for that- no matter on all cultural and phisical violance what THEY did to us.


Freedom for old Catholic Serbs!!! Why they can`t be Serbs and Catholics in the same time!!! Give them democratic process, facts and then referendum!!! Stop cultural violance on them!!!

Rights for Serbs who were forcible converted to Catholicism!!!

Let Bosniaks and Mulims become again Christian Serbs- no matter Orthodox or Catholic. Let they saves themselves from Islam!!!

Let Vatican support liberation of Serbian nation and let Serbian Orthodox Church stop to declare Serbs who are of different religion then Orthodox, as non-Serbs!!!

Let Serbs in Montenegro get democratic rights, not that Albanians and Muslims decide for them and not that mafioso regime brainwash them!!!

Freedom for Serbs no matter on Catholic or Orthodox provenience/background!!!


Down with croatian/kajkavska/zagreb hegemony!!!

Down with shiptar/mujahedin/ustashe alliance against Serbs!!!

Edited by: Gavrilo of Net at: 7/25/06 4:36 pm