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Valenstar
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(3/8/04 5:00 pm)
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Duality
I have a doozy foryou all
Given that nature works in two's, the male and the female, yin/yang, good/bad etc
And given that the concept of Diety is God/Goddess which are facets of the same entity/concept.
I have one question; who/what is the opposite number to diety?
I have a theory, if our diety is nature and life itself, then may be that the opposite is Unlife - not death, but anti-life if you see what I mean. Maybe the source of the 'dark souls' we are seeing nowadays?
Just a thought, any takers/comments etc?
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Gr8Goddess 
Goddess Of Mothers... She of the loving hand
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(3/8/04 8:15 pm)
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If you research some Gods and Goddess, you will find some encompass both. Both the nurturing and the destroying. I guess they have multiple personalities! 
Look at Kali. Kali is known widely for being a Destroyer and a Death Goddess. At the same time, She's the creatrix of all things. The Be All and the End All if you will. A lot of Goddesses are like that!
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Kali is a very powerful goddess. She rules time, karma, dharma, fire, life, death, witches, creation, destruction, reincarnation, evil, dissolution, ecstatic experiences, cremation, duality, paradoxes, criminals, the past, the present, the future, cosmic truth, the phases of the Moon, the spiral of life, uncompromising sexuality, those who stand outside society, and all finite things.
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Gaia Angel 
She who Dreams with Dolphins
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(3/9/04 6:31 am)
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Well said "manda!!
Another example would be Hecate ... another death/birth goddess.
Good topic Ian, love
     
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Gr8Goddess
Goddess Of Mothers... She of the loving hand
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(3/9/04 10:41 pm)
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Well said "manda!!
Thank you, dah-link!
Do not fear the dark. Without darkness, there can be no light.
Do not meddle in the affairs
of cats, for they are subtle
and will piss on your computer.
Nor meddle in the affairs of
dragons, for you are crunchy
and taste good with ketchup. |
starwind123 
Keeper of the Sacred Arts
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(3/10/04 1:57 am)
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Re: Duality
I think this one leads into some what you are asking here Val
even thou it wanders off into other aspects a bit
right of my website
Into the Night
Facing the Dark Side on the Path
When we are children we learn that
Dark = Bad because we cant see what's out there
when the lights go out ... and we hear funny noises
... as an adult we learn that things
that go bump in the night are most likely
the neighbors cat ... and pay it no heed
While we can face these Night fears easily enough
what about the ones that make us shy away
from the "Darker" aspects of the Pagan Paths ..?
The symbol of Yin and Yang used in the Orient
has been around for 1000s of years
its philosophy is simple ... dark and light are defined
by each other, and each has some of the other
They depend on each other.. as without the other
neither one could exist
Ok.. so what the heck does this have to do with you ?
And the Ways of the Path ?
Glad ya asked.. 
There is a grand misconception going on out there
that there is a dark path or light path to Paganism
And that one is "better" than the other
No I'm not talking Satanism here.. Don't even believe
In ye old red man with the pointy tale and pitchfork
What I mean is ... that to some
those who follow certain Goddess's such as
Lilith, Kali, Tiamet, Hekate, Nemesis, Morgaine etc.
are on the Dark Path.. first off let me say
there's no such thing... as a  ark: path
other than as a semantic definition
Its called that to define it from other paths
but its name, has Nothing to do with its value
There's a good path or a bad one.. period
"Are you a good witch or a bad witch" mmm Dorothy ?
There are those who work with the mysteries
of the Darker side of the Mother
but this does Not mean they are Bad
it means they are balanced between light and dark
as in the Grand design of all things
The only time this is a problem is when the parties
go alll the way to the other side .. and
start thinking of everything in the Dark Mothers light
To cling to only the Dark is as bad as seeing
things only in terms of light as both are unbalanced
Why are we afraid of the "Dark" side anyway ?
Paganism is, by and large, a nature based Religion
The Dark side .. of nature is the part that destroys
.. Nature grows wonders ..
Part of how she does this.. is thur decay and death
The cycle of life .. death and rebirth
The three fates were
The spinner who spun the threads of your life
The weaver who made the web that are all its parts
and the Lady with the scissors who cut the thread
Now by and large we have no problem with the
spinner and the weaver .. its the other Chick
with the sharp things going snip snip
that makes us go ... AHHHHHHH .. @@ ! ! ! !
Now why is that..? What is it that we Fear ?
Death ? Death is but a door through which we walk
But we still fear it ... even if just a little..
And
Another reason if you mention ,
say for example Kails or Hecates name
most go scampering off is
(off on a short history lesson here)
How about
1000s of years of blood rites and sacrifice ...mmm
For most people this is what gets em.. Death
we can accept that ALL things that live.. die
the round of life to death to new life is the way it is
But the history surrounding the worship
of the Dark Mother ... of deliberate death
is enough to set your teeth on edge..
So what's the cause of all the bloodletting
done in the Mothers name ?
Think about that one for a second................
Got it in one didn't ya..?
MAN
No we are not man bashing here, so fellas sit down
MAN as in all of mankind
In nearly ALL of the old religions and this includes
Christianity .. blood sacrifice was common place
Most Religions did in animals .. but not all..
This was done for the most part
by otherwise Good Faithful people who
believed that this was the right way to do things
Does the fact that we no longer practice such things
make them Bad ? No.. Its how things were done
and its not how we do them now.. that's all
The only acceptable
"sacrifice: to the Gods now.. is of you.. your time
your dedication, your willingness to effect changes
for the good of all, a few flowers, some nice attars
Which makes a lot more sense to me
than burnt offerings
However the history above
is why we Pagans are often
accused of such things..
as in the past this WAS how
things were done..
We say we worship the old gods
so people assume we do ALL as they did
Its also why we .. as Pagans tend to Avoid the Dark
side, as we don't Want that association
Is it that hard to convince people
that while I do call on Freya the Beautiful
in my rites this does not mean
I plan on killing a goat ..
in my living room in her honor
Or Drink myself sick on Mead in Honor of Thor
Goddess alone knows why this is hard for people
to believe I would not WANT to do this
Ok enough of history lesson
Now this is part of why we get the willys whenever
the Dark Ones are mentioned ..
along with a fear of Death
Other Things
We don't understand the Dark for one
What is it ? What do I mean when I say it ?
To me the Dark means .. all the things hidden
all the parts of creation we don't know yet
The mysteries of life that defy explanation
These are darkness... places we have not gone
places where we are ignorant
And almost to a man
we are afraid of what we don't understand
Or this one
The side of the Self .. that is able to know Fear..
Anger .. depression and loneliness.. but without these
things how would we understand .. Courage
Peace .. Happieness .. or the blessings of company ?
All things are defined by their opposites .. to know one
is to know the other.. always.. with no exceptions
This is the Darkness.. the side of life we deny
The Path to the Dark Mother is the path of challenge
To pass through your Fears and terrors
and go to meet her .. despite them
and thereby gain Courage
This is the time of the Crone ..
The time of slowing down to reflect
The place to hide when ill times threaten
The hand that reaches out and metes out Justice
The Dark Womb from which we all are born
and the Dark womb of Earth to which we all return
The One to whom you offer all that is out dated
and no longer useful to you.. to the blade of time
The point of transformation .. of change .. of balance
Does any of this really
sound like Bad things to you ?
Sometimes not comfortable.. maybe hard..
the process of Self change is never easy
a challenge perhaps... the times when you know
Fear .. or Sorrow.. and the inevitable time of Death
All these things are a part of life.. to deny them
is to deny life ... embrace the Darkness as well
as the Light so that you are part of it all
You are Whole .. complete . balanced
When the next dark night falls and things go bump
you can smile and say Hello Mother and Know
that she hears you and smiles back
BB
Starwind
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Gr8Goddess
Goddess Of Mothers... She of the loving hand
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(3/10/04 8:36 am)
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Yay Lilith!
Do not fear the dark. Without darkness, there can be no light.
Do not meddle in the affairs
of cats, for they are subtle
and will piss on your computer.
Nor meddle in the affairs of
dragons, for you are crunchy
and taste good with ketchup. |
Phuridai 
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(3/10/04 9:36 am)
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Re: Duality
Yeah!  Well said!
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Phuridai
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(3/10/04 10:11 am)
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Re: Duality
After all, some of us have to walk in the shadows, else who will bring the lamp so everyone can see!
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