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Georgios Kastriotis Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian
Epirotians are the oldest Greek tribe. Our history begins 5.000 years B.C. Our land is situated in the Balkan peninsula between the North Western part of Greece and the South of Albania. The northern part of our land, the known NORTH EPIRUS is occupied by the ALBANIANS from 1914.
Ancient period: Our classic ancient history is dominated by the unification of the GREEK Epirotic tribes by the MOLOSSIAN (Epirotic tribe) King NEOPTOLEMOS in the early 1.900-1.550 B.C. The capital city of the ancient Epirotian kingdom was PASSARON. Some ruins of the city are located today near the modern capital IOANNINA.The niece of the Molossian King ARYBBAS, the beautiful OLYMPIAS was married with the King of MACEDONIA PHILIP II and gave birth to our national hero, the famous ALEXANDER the GREAT.
King Pyrros:The biggest King of Epirus was PYRROS. He contributed to the development of the region with the construction of temples and cultural buildings but his major occupation was the teritorial enlargement of Epirus. Inspired by the campaign of Alexander the Great in Asia, he planificated a similar campaign, in the west. He invaded Italy and confronted, the Roman Army. He won a lot of batles but after the excausting of his army by several diseases he was forced to return in Epirus. Then he enlarged Epirus in the south, occuping several territories. He was assasinated young in Pelloponisos.
Medieval Period: The next important historical period for Epirus, was during the Middle Ages.The Vyzantine Empire contribute to the development of the region, thousands of impressive churces were built all over Epirus. The Emperor JUSTINIAN founded in 527 A.C. the city of IOANNINA which became the capital of Epirus. During the Latin occupation of Greek Vyzantine territories, the habitants of Epirus confront the Catholic invaders and established a free kingdom. This kingdom was known as the DESPOTATE OF EPIRUS with capital the city of ARTA and first leader the prince MICHAEL KOMNINOS.
Georgios Kastriotis: He was also known as Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian prince son of Ioannis Kastriotis, medieval feudal lord of Krugia, in North Epirus. Georgios Kastriotis was born on1405 in the citadel of Krugia. He became legendary for its tries to unify the population of Epirus and eliberate the region from the Ottoman invaders. He fought against the Turks for 50 years and he did not lost any battle. He was concerned also about sociological and political issues of its era, and he was accepting as prime values the teachings of the major medieval Greek philosopher Georgios Plithon Gemistos, who was arguing for a neccesity of a definiton of the medieval state and the diversification between the warrior and the farmer. Georgios Kastriotis became a legend for the suppressed by the Muslim invaders Epirotians, and all Greeks. His figure was untill the 19th Century, considered as National Hero of resistance and military success. With the illegal creation of the Albanian state in 1914, the unorganized and savage till then Albanian tribes tried to invent a medieval history in order to justify the existence of their illegal state. So during the communist era, the stalinist regime of Enver Xoxha adopted the legend of Kastriotis forging the true history, and his origin. It was a clear example of newly created statal forms which in the lack of proper history are forging the legends of other nations. The Greek Epirotian origin of Kastriotis is easily demonstrated by simple arguments. Georgios kastriotis was cristian orthodox, in contrast with the big majority of the Albanians which are muslim (90%). His name was Georgios (ancient Greek name), and his surname Kastriotis (Kastro in Greek means castle, Kastriotis is called the person from the castle or the person with the castle). The majority of the Albanian names are Ahmet or Suleiman or something like that. Finnaly in his letter to the Prince of Taranto Jovanni Antonio, Kastriotis says: " Our ancestors were Epirotians, from which Pyrros the King was born. Who won the Romans and occupied Taranto and other cities of Italy. You do not have fighters to resist in the Epirotian courage" ("Georgios Kastriotis", K.Paganel, p.156, 1860).
North Epirus: Although North Epirus is by far one of the oldest lands of the Greeks nowadays is under the Albanian yoke. The tragedy of North Epirus starts in the beggining of the 20th Century. During the Balcan Wars (1912-13) the Greek Army under the leadership of KING KONSTANTINOS, won the Ottoman forces and liberated the 70% of the territory of North Epirus. Old Greek cities such us Argyrokastro, Tepeleni and Delvino were again coloured by the blue-white flag. Unfortunatelly the "Big Powers" had a different plan, so in May 1913, with the "CONVENTION OF LONDON", they decided to take under their control the regions of North Epirus and Albania. The Greek Army was forced by law to withdraw, and thousands hundreds Greeks of North Epirus started to feel again unprotected. Moreover in July 1913, with the "PROTOCOL OF FLORENCE" the "Big Powers" (G.Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, Austro-Hungarian Emp.) created the Kingdom of Albania, and illegitimately incorporated North Epirus on it. Although the 90% of the population of North Epirus was of Greek origin and Cristian Orthodox dogma.In January 1914 the "Protocol of Florence" came in force, and together came the first organized reactions by the North Epirotians. In the region of Heimara, on 9th of February 1914, Spyros Milios declared the Struggle against the Albanians. On 12th of February 1914 GEORGIOS ZOGRAFOS from Argyrokastro was diclared leader of the Autonomy Struggle, and an revolutionary goverment was formed. On 16th of February the cities of Agioi Saranta and Delvino entered the Struggle. On 17th of February 1914 in the city of Argyrokastro, the Autonomy was diclared officialy, and the Greek flag with the bicipetal eagle was raised. On March of 1914, serious battles took place in Premeti. The forces of the North Epirotians won and the Greek flag was raised there also. On April 1914, the Autonomy forces were controlling the 80% of North Epirus, so the Albanian Army was obliged to withdraw in the Albanian mainland. The Albanian goverment shocked by the success of the North Epirotians asked for an international mediatization uppon the matter.
So an International Control Commitee was created. On 17th of May 1914 (new calendary) a truce was signed on Corfu.The text was reffering to an "Autonomous State of North Epirus" in whose territory they did not have the right any Albanian Forces to be. Moreover a special police force of North Epirus was created with the name "Horofylaki", Greek schools were established, and Greek language became the official one for the Autonomous State. The "PROTOCOL OF CORFU" was signed both by th North Epirotian Revolutionary goverment and the Albanian one. In the signing reacted the representatives of the Heimara region who probably having a presentiment for the Albanian non-obediance asked only for "Union with Greece or Death". On January 1916 deputies from North Epirus participated in the sessions of the Greek Parliament.
Foreign Occupation: On April 1916 Italian forces occupated Argirokastro, in the frames of the First World War, and a month later French forces occupated Korytsa. It worths to say that the Italian forces occupated also Ioannina (free Epirus) but were forced to withdraw later. On November 1921 the "League of Nations" incorparated illegally North Epirus to the Albanian Kingdom. From there started a long suppresing period for the Greeks of North Epirus. Which had only a small pause during the Second World War. In that period the Greek Army fighting the Fascist Italians and their Albanian collaborators, entered North Epirus and liberated again the regions of Argirokastro and Korytsa. For another time the North Epirotians started to hope in a permanent fair resolution uppon their issue. Their prospects were disaproofed by the decisions of the "PARIS TREATY" in which the representatives of the Allies under the pressure of the Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs Molotov, did not satisfied the request of North Epirotians and Greece. Although Greece fought against the Axis and Albania collaborate with it, the decisions taken, were in favour of the "defeated" Albania.
The main part of North Epirotian tragedy started with the establishment of a communist regime in Albania, by Enver Hoxha.
Communist suppression: Beggining from 1946, Enver Hoxha established a sever stalinist regime in Albania, in which any form of human rights and personal freedoms did not existed. The Hoxha regime aimed mostly against the Greeks of North Epirus, in a try to suppress their pro-Greek feelings and assimilate them with the Albanians. So in a genocidal form of governance, changed the names
of the Greek populated regions, obliged them to "albanize" their own names, forbided the use and the teaching of Greek language, in public places and in the domestic ground. Moreover being a totally isolated regime, forbided any relation or influence from the outer world, resulting to a complete imprisonment of the population and speccially the Greek one. The Hoxha regime, used its feared intelligence service "Sigurimi" and killed and imprisoned thousands of Greeks which were concerned as danger against the statal integrity. Houses were burned, villages destroyed, monasteries and churces converted to barns. The genocidal policy of Hoxha did not aware anybody except the Greek state which officially was in a state of war with Albania till the late '80s.
Present suppression: Although the Hoxha and Alia (succesor) regime fell in the early '90s the situtation of the North Epirotians remained the same.
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(10/27/03 4:00 pm) Reply
Re: Georgios Kastriotis Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian
Last two posts are erased by me do to their insulting nature.
You disagree with the post about ancient Greek history of Hpeiros?
Fine, write why and give historical facts with ancient sources (thus not some German writer from 19 century) since you are the one attempting to debunk ancient Greek Epirote history (5000 years old and among oldest among Hellenes while Hpeiros and Macedonia are where Dorian Greeks came from) give us facts!
Otherwise simpleton opinions based on nothing credible and insults can be erased by Pyrros.
Edited by: AAdmin at: 12/17/03 7:12 pm
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(6/6/05 3:34 am) Reply
Re: Georgios Kastriotis Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian
Common you guys.
How can you even doubt Skenderbei was Albanian???
Just by the name.
When He himself declared he was Albanian.
At Byzantine times all people had Christian-Jewish names like Georges,Joannes,Nikolas,Dimitri etc.
The name <<Iskender>> (Alexander in Turkish)was given to Great Generals of the Ottoman Army..
The title <<Bey>> (Turkish for chieftain) one of many uses was also the Tosk Landlord.
Skenderbeg was the father of the first Albanian Nation.
He fought for Albania.
And he is the Greatest Albanian.
And all Balkan recognize his Greatness because he did a Patriotic War against the Invader Turk.
He was the only one who had a Free Principate in times were Turks were considered unmatched in battle.
Why do you Greeks and Serbs are so eager about Skenderbeg?
Now I am hearing Fyrom theories claiming him also.
We must respect somethings.
Eleos ,Entaksi eipame alla oxi kai etsi.
Prepei na sebomaste kapoia pragamata.
Dhen mporoume na leme tetoia pragmata gia to Skenderbei.
Einai san na mhn sebomaste ton Apelevtherotiko tou Agwna pou ekane gia thn Albania.
Quote:You disagree with the post about ancient Greek history of Hpeiros?
AAdmin you are a mod but you seem not to have a freaking clue or you just do everything on purpose. Did you even bother to read the title of the thread? What does that have anything to do with Kastrioti's ethnicity.
Why would anyone bother to contravene a post by one of the most illiterate clueless sick members here. I guess he suits well your purposes. So much for freaking harmony.
------------- When Sultan Mehmed II begged to see the blade which he had heard so much about. It was sent to him and tried by the best swordsmen in his army. But none could do the feats it's master could. When the Sultan returned it to Scanderbeg he asked why. Scanderbeg replied "I sent, your highness, the sword. But not the limb that wields it."
Re: SkenderbeyAAdmin why when we claims that Skenderbe was Greek it's ok, and when I claim that Alexander the Great was Ilirian my post gets deleted...hmmm strange it must be magic...
they don't have the balls to glorify themselfs ...
For Ali Pascha I could maybe agre that he was a greek (because he came from Tepelena/North Epirus), but for Gjergj Kastrioti it's a lottle dificult to say so.
Some people are very gloryomaniac, but they don't have the balls to glorify themselfs ...
bato Moderator
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(3/17/06 4:58 pm) Reply
Re: Georgios Kastriotis Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian
Kastriota was Albanian. r.i.p.
On the other hand, the fara (family) of Botsaris, whose families traditions tells they descend from warriors of Kastriota's army, are considered Greeks.
Re: Georgios Kastriotis Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian
no "skenderbeis" is serb. hahaha. but no, the real issue here is why he posted the same thread 3 times. And why does a Vlach like Karta care about that issue?
There should be a moderator who can moderate karta's ramblings. Or. even better, make a "Karta's corner" so people can move his crazy posts there to save some clutter.
I'll make a poll about this in Greek forum.
shpata Senior Moderator
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(4/6/06 5:26 am) Reply
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Quote:On the other hand, the fara (family) of Botsaris, whose families traditions tells they descend from warriors of Kastriota's army, are considered Greeks.
greeks who decend from albanian ancestors. and noble albs too.
Re: re
yes, i agree with you.
and apart from this, a more common theory than the one of colonizers, is the one who wants the vast majority of Arvanites (Arberors) coming to the southern highlands by the moment Kastriota was defeated. As it seems, due to the fact that they were soldiers of Kastriota and when Ottomans won their army, they fled to the highlands to protect themselves and regroup.
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(4/10/06 9:39 pm) Reply
hmm
Quote:they fled to the highlands to protect themselves and regroup.
I still find it strange that anyone went south. I mean what were they expecting. Man Albo's trully dont think good do they. Strategically, even if the Morea was still in venetian hands, how long did they think it would be so?
Most Arber fled to Italy however. Im suspect about the tradition that they came from Scanderbeg's army. Maybe Gjon's. Even then... Maybe he could have been part in the later southern revolts...
---------- "The whole life of man is but a point of time; let us enjoy it." Plutarch, Morals
Quote:I still find it strange that anyone went south.
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well, some things are rather mysterious. My fara, from mountainous Suli went to the mountainous Evia. Now, tell me, that is "strange"
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anyway, today's borders didn't exist at that time, and i suppose the condition must have been completely different.
on the case of the armies, well, they fled to whichever direction ensured their independence and freedom. Probably just happened with the destruction of Suli. They fled to support their values and don't become anybody's slave. Some to the north, others to the south and other to the east. I can tell for sure those who went to the south and the east, wherever they arrived they organised "guerilla" armies against the Ottomans
Quote:Woodthorpe Tarn, of the British Academy, regarded worldwide as having written the definitive work on Alexander the Great, states in the opening paragraph of his book Alexander the Great that "Alexander certainly had from his father (Philip II) and probably from his mother (Olymbia) Illyrian, i.e. Albanian, blood
Re: kartodolofonos
Son of Eagle...do you know what that new found lettering that you keep using means....>>>>>LOL!!!?
One of the reasons I even read what some of you guys write it's because I have a sick predilection for the unsavory and untoward nonsense that goes on here....
Quote:Georgios Kastriotis: He was also known as Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian prince son of Ioannis Kastriotis, medieval feudal lord of Krugia, in North Epirus
Lesson for the geographically (and mentally) impaired...KRUJA is in Northern Albania...not North Epir...
And as for Epiriots being Greeks and being Greeks 5000BC...that must mean they were Greeks before Greeks even existed...lol....
Mentally impaired indeed...
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Sali Berisha ne miting.
"Keni me pas kompjuter n cdo dhom jo pentium dy e tre por pes!"
-Dr.Rrumpalla, qyteti "Studenti"
"Jam shum i gzue qe po marr pjes nhidherimin tuej"
- Dr. Rrumpalla
Sali! Enver! Jemi Gati Kurdohere!
O Sali, ill i karvanit,
shpetimtari i vatanit;
o Sali, ill i pashuar
ne gjith' boten i degjuar!
Lumturi neve na solle,
ka armiqte na shpetove,
planet ua shkaterrove,
neper plehra i hodhe.
Rrofsh, Sali, me gjith' PD-ne,
Lumturi per Shqiperine!
Me PD-ne dhe Saline
jemi gati kurdohere
Shqiperin' ta zbukurojme,
demokracine te ndertojme.
O Sali, ill i vertete,
te na rrosh njemile vjet!
Georgios Kastriotis Skenterbeis. Greek Epirotian 
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.........
and noble albs too.
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