Novi Pazar Commanding Moderator
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(8/15/07 1:39 pm) Reply
Human Cloning, whats your opinion? (IPT)
History 1
The use of cloning to produce "Dolly" the sheep has prompted a public debate about cloning humans. Cloning is the process of creating an embryo from the DNA of a single animal. If carried to term, the embryo develops into an exact genetic double of that animal. This issue quickly became linked with the issues of abortion and embryo research.
PRO 1
Cloning can be used to help infertile couples have children that are biologically related to them.
PRO 2
Does it matter how a child began its development. If a child is born healthy and happy and is loved by its parents.
PRO 3
Parents who lose a child may want to clone a twin.
CON 3
The cloned child's personality will not be the same as the first child. The environment in which the cloned child grows up in won’t be exactly the same. Twin's personalities can be quite different.
PRO 4
Gay's could have children that are biologically related to them.
CON 4
Human cloning is against God's will and is immoral.
I think it does have its benefits for people who suffer from terrible diseases or injuries, but it potentially can be misused that could have serious consequences socially or environmentally.
Whats your opinion?
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(8/15/07 1:46 pm) Reply
Re: Human Cloning, whats your opinion?
Photocopying the human race? Do they know what will happen to the offspring of the cloned parents? Will it be born with deformaties? This but one of many unanswered questions out there that need to be examined in fine detail.
Will clones be used to form armies? The list goes on.
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(8/15/07 1:46 pm) Reply
Re: Human Cloning, whats your opinion?
Kind of a sick idea, no?
Kid dies... lets make another???
That is insane. God forbid something happened to one of my children, there is no replacing them. There is no "exact" copy (as you point out). Personalities are created through experience, not as a result of ones birth.
My son (in particular) is at that age where he is really showing his personality. He is a real ham and I could never imagine "bringing him back", because that is impossible.
Re: Human Cloning, whats your opinion?
^ Couldnt say it better myself.
Edited by: SarPlaninac1389 at: 8/15/07 2:02 pm
Novi Pazar Commanding Moderator
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(8/15/07 1:52 pm) Reply
Re: Sar & Fender
Do you gents believe thereputal cloning would be acceptable under strict measures. I believe this may eventuate, but it also could open the doors for it to be misused....a sort of preceedant?
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(8/15/07 2:03 pm) Reply
Re: Sar & Fender
Quote:thereputal cloning
What is that exactly?
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Novi Pazar Commanding Moderator
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(8/15/07 2:27 pm) Reply
Re: Fender
"What is that exactly?"
Excuse my mis-spelling, its 11.30pm Melb time, as you know....l'm writing half asleep!.
How is therapeutic cloning done?
I once had a Swedish ivy plant, and about a dozen empty flower pots. I cut off many leaves from the original plant, placed each of them in a pot filled with damp soil, and surrounded the pots with clear plastic. In a few weeks, I had a dozen new plants. This shows that all of the material and information needed to create a Swedish ivy plant is contained in a single leaf. Actually, it is contained in a single cell of a single leaf.
So too, all the information needed to create a new human being is contained in each cell of an existing human being. DNA testing on an human often starts by scraping some cells from the inside of a person's mouth. Living cells can be scraped off of a person's skin. No matter how a cell is obtained, it contains the DNA of the person, and thus contains all of the information required to produce a duplicate or cloned person. Each cell is, in fact, a form of human life for the simple reason that it contains human DNA.
A woman's ovum also contains her DNA. What is involved in somatic cell nuclear transfer is to:
1. Take a woman's ovum, and remove its DNA. This converts it to a form of human life into what is basically a factory for creating a pre-embryo.
2. Remove the DNA from a cell taken from a human, and inserting it into the ovum.
3. Giving the resulting ovum an electrical shock to start up its embryo making operation. In a small percentage of cases, a pre-embryo will be formed.
4. The pre-embryo is allowed to develop and produce many stem cells. So far, the procedure is identical to that used in adult DNA cloning. However, the pre-embryo is not implanted in a woman's womb in order to try to produce a pregnancy.
5. Stem cells are removed from the pre-embryo; this results in its death.
6. The stem cells would be encouraged to grow into whatever tissue or organ is needed to treat the patient. Stem cells are a unique form of human cell that can theoretically develop into many organs or body parts the body.
7. The tissue or organ would be transplanted into the patient. 4
An important factor to remember is that:
bullet The original seed cell is a form of human life; it contains human DNA, whether it comes from a skin scraping or is extracted from the inside of a person's mouth.
bullet The original ovum is a form of human life; it contains human DNA.
bullet The pre-embryo that is produced is a form of human life; it contains human DNA.
So, there is a continuity of human life from a surplus cell which a human produces by the millions each day, to the pre-embryo.
Theoretically, these stem cells can be used to develop into replacement organs (heart, liver, pancreas, skin, etc) Therapeutic cloning has not yet been accomplished in the laboratory or clinic.
Future experiments may not succeed. There were four main hurdles to overcome:
bullet Stem cells have to be "successfully isolated and grown in the laboratory." This has already been accomplished
bullet They have to be encouraged to "turn into specific cell types." This has been done for most of the 220 cell types in the human body.
bullet They have to be proven usable in treating patients with diseases, injuries, or disorders.
bullet The transplanted tissue must develop normally and must not represent significant "risks to the patient." 4
If scientists are successful, it would probably take many years of research before the first useful results will be obtained.
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(8/16/07 3:07 am) Reply
Re: Fender
Quote:these stem cells can be used to develop into replacement organs (heart, liver, pancreas, skin, etc) Therapeutic cloning has not yet been accomplished in the laboratory or clinic.
If I were waiting for a transplant I would approve of this since hardly anyone is donating organs.
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(8/16/07 6:33 am) Reply
Re: Fender
I am for human cloning and I see a scientific benefit in trying to recreate someone like Einstein. To me it is purely scientific (=light) question void of any emotions which are anyway polluted by various cultural or religious dogmatic viewpoints (=darkness). I do believe that it should be strictly of scientific value and not available to anyone (meaning I would only allow cloning to individuals that make a progressively scientific difference for the human kind).
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Re: Fender
If there could be a exact copy from a DVD to a DVD then sooner or later there will be a exact copy HUMAN to HUMAN,...whats wrong with that...The world would be a better place if there were 6 billion ILIRI I MADH around!
vinyak Commanding Moderator
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(8/16/07 8:40 am) Reply
Re: Fender
Quote:If there could be a exact copy from a DVD to a DVD then sooner or later there will be a exact copy HUMAN to HUMAN,...whats wrong with that...
Dunno maybe I have watched to many sci fi movies but what if the original Irir Madh disapeared ? you could replace the original with a clone who though and acted the way the Government wanted......
Re: Fender
What about cloning Hitler and put him in a good environment, educating him about international conflicts, peace and human rights, and he becomes one of the most famous human rights activist and a politican who spread peace in the world. That would change our views about evil for ever.
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(8/16/07 1:20 pm) Reply
Re: Fender
Quote:I am for human cloning and I see a scientific benefit in trying to recreate someone like Einstein.
And what? What "greatness" might he achieve?
Maybe he could develop a technology for greater mass murder? Or maybe he would turn out to be a crazed lunatic.
Many have said that there was a fine line between sanity and insanity with Tesla, who knows, maybe if we brought him back the second time he would have been certifiable.
the enviornment and age he lived in made him what he is known today, maybe if he lived in a different enviornment and in a different age he would be the opposite (a Winston Churchill or better).
Kasso, Albanian Hero, The Defender of Albanian Rights in Illyria forums. I live for Albanianism.
Re: Fender
I don't see any point in cloning individuals. As I have written in a past thread, these kind of engineering process can be used to create body parts (e.g heart, lung) so that we aren't forced to wait years for a donor or die in case we are unable to find one. This is already available via the stem cell research.
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at: 8/16/07 6:28 am
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