OszkarSzilva7 Moderator
Posts: 468
(8/30/07 1:57 pm)
Huns
Even our earlier Hunnic brethren had a similiar ethnogenesis
to the later Magyars in 895/896.
Quote:the Huns migrated westward to Central Asia and in the process mixed with various Siberian, Ugric, Turkic, and Iranian ethnic elements. Around 350, the Huns migrated further west and entered the Ponto-Caspian steppe, from where they launched raids into Transcaucasia and the Near East in the 360s and 370s. Around 375, they crossed the Volga River and entered the western North Pontic region, where they destroyed the Cherniakhova culture and absorbed much of its Germanic (Gothic), Slavic, and Iranian (Sarmatian) ethnic elements.
a similiar ethnic mixture group known as the Magyars continued in similiar way 400 odd years later and we still continue now.
Edited by: OszkarSzilva7 at: 8/30/07 1:59 pm
magyars are neither germanic nor slavs, but Turko-Mongoloid-Altaic-Persian.
whoever magyars haves blond hair or a nordic colour hair like the finnish are not magyars but a half breed slavs or germanic.
real magyars are asians.
Quote:yes, but so many gypsies will diluate you
yeh?? i think Bonni, ciganys will assimilate into magyars , afterall i seen many ciganys intermarries with magyars and they are considered as magyars.
Magyar cigany roma in melbourne, do u know what they consider? Magyar, with magyar emblem tatoo on their arm.
many aussies thinks that magyars are another branch of indianic people.
Quote:and become hunczigania
wow excellent, then magyaristan is becoming middle-eastern central-asians again , aaammm yeh, huncigania in your imagination , it's rather become magyaristan than huncigania. Edited by: west bank boy at: 8/31/07 3:27 am
OszkarSzilva7 Moderator
Posts: 469
(8/31/07 10:19 am)
Re: Huns
Quote:whoever magyars haves blond hair or a nordic colour hair like the finnish are not magyars but a half breed slavs or germanic.
real magyars are asians.
I am reading a good book now called Magyars it was written in Hungary. As for your comment I think you are wrong.
Firstly Iranian peoples can be fair with light eyes and hair. I agreee in Iran majority Iranians dont look like that but I have seen photos and video of Iranian peoples in both Iran and Afghanistan that look very European.
In this book I am reading now it also states Magyar tribes assimilated tribes from Caucasus, so if you have seen Chechens and Georgians and other caucasian peoples you will see they can be fair and have European look.
Thirdly we cant really be certain how the Uralic/Ugric element of the Hungarians looked in that time. Today Uralic people give varied presentation of looks , from Khanty,Mansi,Estonian,Finnish, even the Chuvash similiar to Magyars are Uralic - Turkic mix. Some pictures of Khanty- Mansi yes look Mongolic where as Estoninans and Finns look European but they share same linguistic family.
Perhaps the Mongolic presentation of Khanty/Mansi was from later Tatar interaction in the same way as the Tatars took over the Bashkirs, so as for how they looked in 895 we cant say for certain.
Finally your mindset towards Hungarians is completly wrong , I see even though you admitted yourself you have Slovak,Germanic blood still I see clearly you loathe Europeans and loathe Europe well actually many even most Hungarians dont think that way ,and you desperatly wanna see yourself as Asian, or Arab or something, maybe cause You have that possible physical presentation despite some of your genetics but it can happen same way in reverse a Hungarian who is more fair still can have the Eastern/ Turanian bloodline. There are some fair Turks have you ever seen a photo of Attaturk.
Anyway your own chosen interpretation of Hungarians is somewhat warped and unrealistic. Not even Turkish peolpe of Turkey are pure genetically Turkic they are mixed too and some with European blood genetics too, this isnt important the important is the cultural, linguistic, and the identity, its same with Hungarians we give our loyalty to the tribe of Magyar it goes right back to the blood convenant when the 7 tribes united and all became Magyars and it stuck from there and we are mixed blood our blood is mixed in from all those peoples but our identity is Magyar.
Edited by: OszkarSzilva7 at: 8/31/07 10:29 am
OszkarSzilva7 Moderator
Posts: 470
(8/31/07 2:34 pm)
Re: Huns
Quote:Oscar, why are you so interested how magyars came on Earth? their origin??
well simply because its interesting.
Quote:There are many theories about it, most of them purely ireal, pure lies and pure imaginations
some riduculous like connections with Maori etc
otherwise there is some room for certain degree of speculation because still the Magyars are somewhat historical mystery
Quote:The fact is very simple: Ural/Asia
yes probably .
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Quote:t was a small tribe of barbarians
I notice Romanians like to use this B word a lot if we were then it can be said we was vey succesful barnarians
which tribe there was 7.
All together the Hungarians in conquest period wasnt small tribe, couldnt have been.
karsli Registered User
Posts: 10
(8/31/07 3:59 pm)
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my take on everything...
Finno-Ugraric and Altai peoples (Turks and Magyars included) were always cultural groups, not really homogeneous ethnic groups or races...Even our ancestors in central/east Asia were at times represented with a variety of hair/eye colors. I've been to certain Turkish villages where it's the norm for all the girls to have one blue eye and one green eye...This is the result of a millennium of intermarriage between different ethnic groups.
Nearly everyone on my Magyarab side (who still consider themselves Magyars) has brown air and slight tans whereas my Caucasus Turkish side vary from blonde, blue eyed, to very dark skin with curly black hair. The bottom of the line is they don't make cultural distinctions based on their genetics. The former still call themselves Magyar and the latter still call themselves Turks. So it doesn't really make sense try to adopt Western European ethnic nationalism or eugenics to ourselves. Cultural nationalism makes much more sense.
People like Persians and Kurds (Indo-Europeans) and individual European ethnic groups are generally much more "pure" in the genetic sense. Hence the vast majority of Kurds and Persians having black hair and dark features. We should keep in mind that only half of Iran is actually ethnic Persian, the rest being Azeri, Kurdish, Turkmen, Arab, etc. Ive been told by an Iranian-born Persian friend, who was arguing with a Persian-American, that any Persian who looks relatively too fair-feautured (is the term "fair" still politically correct by the way...?) cannot be 100% ethnically Persian. You can still be 100% Persian in the sense of identity and culture regardless so it doesn't really matter much.
Contele de Monte Cristo
You can't really call any culture 2,000 years ago barbaric...Especially from the standpoint of a European. Europe was considered backward until the mid-1600's. a relatively recent date in the span of history. When Crusaders saw Muslims in Anatolia bathing with soap lather, they thought it was disease.
Anyway our history and understanding it is very important. If you've ever been to the slums or bad part of town in a major Western city, you feel as if the people live the way they do partly because they don't feel like they have any identity. You should be proud in a positive constructive way or at least have some shame. I've seen people with no arms and legs in other countries working as hard as they can, poor kids trying to shine shoes, etc, then when I come back to the US I see physically fit young men asking women and kids for money to buy drugs..
karsli Registered User
Posts: 11
(8/31/07 8:42 pm)
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Monte
nem akarok semmit..figyelj csak ok? most Hungarians in the US can speak little or no Magyarul because it's been many generations since their great grandfathers and what not immigrated..Many Hungarian families came to the US before the events of 1956. I'll try to become fluent once I finish about 2-3 more years of German. Unfortunately Hungarian is not an accredited language at my school, or else I would be taking lessons right now.
Anyway you can't say one people are barbarians and others "civilized" since the only way you can determine these things is by relativity to your own culture. It's all a matter of opinion.
Quote:of course you can say who were barbarians and who were civilized, it is very easy to determine based on factual facts and reality, the truth is magyars were an underdeveloped barbarian tribe.
When in Rome there were Roman Law System, Senat, Poetry, University, Library, Democracy, Empire,..all the stuff, magyars were drinking horse milk in Ural stepa. Romans were the ultimate superior culture and civilization in those times. All the rests were a bounch of retards.
and some peples was walking around the mountains all day with their goats then other ones was photographed crapping in the streets, yes very civilised and unbarbarian like
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