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AAdmin 
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(8/10/07 3:14 pm)
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If you could go back what would you change (IPT)

Topic is if you could go back in time what would you change and why would you want to change it. I would personally not change a thing as I believe that changing anything would alter the overall life experience with which I am pleased insofar. Also even a minor change could easily mean experiencing life very differently and altering other peoples realities.

What is your idea of time travel in terms of being positive or negative for human progress and for overall human experience.

Scientifically time travel is deemed possible as bellow quote can attest to that possibility.

Using wormholes
A wormhole

Wormholes are a type of hypothetical warped spacetime which are also permitted by the Einstein field equations of general relativity, although it would be impossible to travel through a wormhole unless it was what is known as a traversable wormhole.

A proposed time-travel machine using a traversable wormhole would (hypothetically) work in the following way. One end of the wormhole is accelerated to nearly the speed of light, perhaps with some advanced propulsion system, and then brought back to the point of origin. Due to time dilation, the accelerated end of the wormhole has now aged less than the stationary end, as seen by an external observer; however, time connects differently through the wormhole than outside it, so that synchronized clocks at either end of the wormhole will always remain synchronized as seen by an observer passing through the wormhole, no matter how the two ends move around. This means that an observer entering the accelerated end would exit the stationary end when the stationary end was the same age that the accelerated end had been at the moment before entry; for example, if prior to entering the wormhole the observer noted that a clock at the accelerated end read a date of 2005 while a clock at the stationary end read 2010, then the observer would exit the stationary end when its clock also read 2005, a trip backwards in time as seen by other observers outside. One significant limitation of such a time machine is that it is only possible to go as far back in time as the initial creation of the machine;[15] in essence, it is more of a path through time than it is a device that itself moves through time, and it would not allow the technology itself to be moved backwards in time. This could provide an alternative explanation for Hawking's observation: a time machine will be built someday, but has not yet been built, so the tourists from the future cannot reach this far back in time.

According to current theories on the nature of wormholes, construction of a traversable wormhole would require the existence of a substance known as "exotic matter" with negative energy. Many physicists believe that negative energy may actually be possible due to the Casimir effect in quantum physics.[16] Although early calculations suggested a very large amount of negative energy would be required, later calculations showed that the amount of negative energy can be made arbitrarily small.[17]

In 1993, Matt Visser argued that the two mouths of a wormhole with such an induced clock difference could not be brought together without inducing quantum field and gravitational effects that would either make the wormhole collapse or the two mouths repel each other.[18] Because of this, the two mouths could not be brought close enough for causality violation to take place. However, in a 1997 paper, Visser hypothesized that a complex "Roman ring" (named after Tom Roman) configuration of an N number of wormholes arranged in a symmetric polygon could still act as a time machine, although he concludes that this is more likely a flaw in classical quantum gravity theory rather than proof that causality violation is possible.[19]




en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel#Using_wormholes

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AAdmin 
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)

I don't want to see balkanoid responses such as using time travel to go back in time and deal with a certain politician or ruler that one might deem as not agreeable.

Strict IPT rules will be applied.

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Jure i Boban
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Edited by: Jure i Boban at: 8/10/07 3:36 pm
SarPlaninac1389 
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
Aadmin,

There are two ways you can look at this, at the macro level and the micro level. Meaning, things I would try to change (say) on a global level and things I would try to change within my life.

On a global level, there are 100's of things I would want to change. I suppose witnessing people jumping out of the WTC can have that effect on your life.

There are things within Balkan politics I would've liked to change as well.

On a personal level, the only thing I would have liked to change is having met my wife a bit earlier so that we could start our family earlier. Looking back at things I wish I had my kids when I was in my mid to late 20's.

mapko
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
Sar, if you don't mind me asking, why would you say that? I personally wasn't thinking of starting with kids until my 30s.

SarPlaninac1389 
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Well, it is not the I am old per se, but I just feel as though being a very young dad is great (especially when you have a son).

I want to be able to perform at the highest level of physical activity with him for the longest period of time.

Let say I had him when I was 26, by the time I'm 40 (which still is young) I could still be in great shape and he would be getting to the age of really excelling at athletics.

I was a big athlete growing up and envision the same for my son. I want to be there with him, helping him train, running together, weight training together, etc...

Suppose you wait 10 more years. Now he is 14 you are 50. Big difference between a 40 year old and a 50 year old.

Don't get me wrong, there are certain natural economic benefits to waiting (like financial security), but I always felt as though I would have that no matter what. You can change economic circumstances, but you can't change age.

I hope that when my son is at that age I am in good shape and will be able to do all those things, but I can already see that I'm slowing down. I guess it stems from the old jock mentality of thinking you can ALWAYS compete at the highest level in all sports. Reality sucks. ;)

PARTISAN
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(8/10/07 7:18 pm)
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
My father moving the family from Podgorica to Australia. Hurts me to see a man with such a high level of education working as a taxi driver with decaying health. I knew he chose what was right at the time, but in the end I dont believe it was the best decision for the health of my parents or for my sisters and I.




Vojvoda Marko 
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
We could all change things such as Sar said both on the macro and micro levels, but what would our God think of this? God put the wheels of motion of what we know as reality, the past, the present, and the future. Is it ethical for a person to change the past? What wisdom or experience would this erase, and what are the consequences to other people and the world?

“At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth--no one.”

—St. Sava to Irenaeus, 13th Century



Edited by: Vojvoda Marko  at: 8/10/07 8:05 pm
SarPlaninac1389 
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(8/10/07 8:07 pm)
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
VM,

Good point, but I would argue if He gave us the ability to change things, then why would He want us to use that ability?

It's like the saying "God helps those who help themselves".

BIH20
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(8/10/07 8:16 pm)
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
Not move so far from BIH.

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(8/10/07 8:39 pm)
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)

AAdmin: I stated no balkanoid comments.




Ēameria is situated geographically on the north-west Greece. This beautiful region, has a rich Albanian heretage and it was only in the 1912 that is was annexed unfairly and unjustifiable to Greece. This was the aftermath of the decision of the great powers to give Ēameria to Greece, just as the great powers had made similar decisions to give Kosova and other Albanian territories to Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro.



Fjalėn peng pat lėnė dhe besėn e burrit "nė Kosovė do t'kthehem ditėn e flamurit"

Qka po bohet sot n“kosovė, a ka burr qe din me fol. Me mbrojt vlerat e ushtris, o mos me i qit marre Shqiprisė!

Edited by: AAdmin  at: 8/11/07 4:34 am
Vojvoda Marko 
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
Quote:
Good point, but I would argue if He gave us the ability to change things, then why would He want us to use that ability?

It's like the saying "God helps those who help themselves".


Also a very good point Sar, I was thinking the same thing when writing my post. If humans can, then why can't they?

But, a complication comes of this.

1) God gave everyone free will. Yes, man can change history (just like man can love, hate, murder, nurture, etc). How would God judge something that is not brought up (at least to my knowledge) in the Gospels and the Bible?

I think the answer to this is its up to man and God will use his judgement and wisdom to judge fairly.

“At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth--no one.”

—St. Sava to Irenaeus, 13th Century



Stankoisaserb 
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(8/11/07 7:43 am)
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
I wish i can go back in time and repeat the pleasures i had with previous sexy girls.



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Fender666 
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
^^Whats stopping you now?

lubez
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(8/12/07 3:27 pm)
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
I believe that the way you have lived your life thus far is how it should have been lived.. therefore, I wouldn't change a thing..

Don't know if that makes much sense?:\

Vojvoda Marko 
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
That actually was a very good way of putting it Lubez, interesting;)

“At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth--no one.”

—St. Sava to Irenaeus, 13th Century



Knez Nenad of Serbia
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
As I am only 15, there isn't much I want to change. Most of the things I do want to change (if I could go back) are things dictated by the choices of my parents and not by me (I was too young) and as a result, there is little I CAN change, let alone want to.

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My father moving the family from Podgorica to Australia. Hurts me to see a man with such a high level of education working as a taxi driver with decaying health.

I feel you ogi.
My father is also high educated. He studied economics in Sarajevo along with Business.
He worked in an office, with a pencil without breaking his back.
Now he works a shitty low-paying job in the states.
Shame, at least he's close to retirement.

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Jure i Boban
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^^
Same here, both my parents have high education, mother lawyer. Father architect. Non of them got a job they should have. One mops floors, father does all cinds of small time jobs, fixing things and so on. Jebiga we live like Gypsies in the world. Still I think that I am better of that we are not in Zenica anymore, for obvius reasons. But we could have moved to Croatia or Hercegovina. I’m ok here in “Oh Canada home and shitty land” but they are miserable..

SarPlaninac1389 
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^^^ Well, why doesn't your "lawyer mother" get certified in Canada. Link.

She wouldn't be the first, and it sure beats "mopping floors".

Nice gratitude towards the country that took you in, maybe if you're lucky they'll ship you out.

mapko
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Re: If you could go back what would you change (IPT)
Personally, there is little I would change. I am happy with where I am right now, so it's possible that certain decisions in the past (that I slightly regret now) would leave me in a different state with different ambitions.

On a more national level I wish Yugoslavia still existed obviously. There'd be great pride in being from such a truly multi-cultural, multi-linguistic and multi-religious that was at point also the most economically advanced in Eastern Europe. Now, instead, there is a slight amount of shame in being from a war-torn region that is looked down upon by most of Europe and remembered negatively in the world. I suppose everything happens for a reason though. There's a Serbian expression "Svako je krojac svoje sudbine" (everyone tailors their fate) that applies equally well to individuals and nations.

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