Important Note To All Forum Visitors and Ezboard Personnel !Story continues... (read messages and the last message by me, Zetaman)
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It has come under my attention that a certain individual I.M. (who dislikes me to a great deal out of personal reasons and who informed me yesterday himself) has contacted a high ezboard official and demanded to have this forum closed down. I was informed that ezboard is considering this. The reason that this individual I.M. has stressed for closing down Illyria Forums is that he claims that I Zetaman, as the Forum Administrator, am and have been spreading racism and hate (while in reality I have always strongly denounced it and attempted others not to spread it here and to act more civil and I have not banned one person from this forums).
Here I would like the regular visitors to state their opinions about this forum's administration and whether they agree or disagree with that individual I.M. so the exboard can see from other visitors whether that individual is stating the truth or not.
In any event in case the Illyria Forums is closed down ezboard will lose one of the most visited Balkan Forums on their boards while I will recreate it on another Internet location and I will guide my visitors how to get there on www.illyria.net/Balkan_Links.html (put this link in your favorites) or on one of the many forums from which I directed them here.
I hope ezboard writes also something here in case this situation is true and in case they plan or don't plan closing this forum down. I certainly hope ezboard will not let some vengeful person (I.M., who resides in Balkans) , who makes up events and who has some unexplainable negative focus on me, to affect their decision. Also if ezboard does find something objectionable with this Forum I hope they write it down here and inform me rather that just close it down.
higgyks Registered User
Posts: 1
(1/1/03 9:09 pm) Reply
Re: Important Note To All Forum Visitors and Ezboard Personn
i read your message on the ezboard help forums, i think you should get many whitnesses opinions. all i have to say is that if you are telling the truth and that guy is making stuff up then it is very wrong to have these forums taken down. its not right for ezboard to take down a forum community just because of someone's personal feelings to the admin causes him to tell lies (if they are lies, not that i don't beleive u) just to get the forums taken down. but thats just my opinion.
Re: Important Note To All Forum Visitors and Ezboard Personn
Thanks for the reply and it is certainly a good idea to get as many different opinions here as possible and hopefully that will happen.
ZAU Registered User
Posts: 10
(1/2/03 4:14 am) Reply
Re: Important Note To All Forum Visitors and Ezboard Personn
Arguments among various nations in Balcans are a common thing. When we consider bitter wars bitween these nations for the past hundreds of years, and in comparison to that the general behaviour in this forum is to be praised.
It would be a great shame if this forum is to be closed. This is an incredible chance for everyone in this forum to get to know members from other nationalities. Get to know your historical rivals from CLOSE UP.
So close you realize we're all the same.
I havn't noticed any promotion of racial hatered in this forum. I personally think someone's making a serious propaganda against this forum.
I also praise moderators and administrators for fair and good conduct.
Re: Important Note To All Forum Visitors and Ezboard Personn
Zetamen
What the characters ( a person have a plenty of them) are expecting from the forums and from the webmasters?
...(if I understand well this matter)
May they would like to see you as a psichologist , who should stay all the time in to the humans brains telling them that every thing in reality is honey and milk,and people are living as brothers in peace and harmony.
If they blame you that you are tolerant to the crap post over here,tell them for a plenty of erases what you had done
What reality we have,that it is not surprise
If that will not help the case than let them go and shut you down.
Who knows,a day after ,if that happend ,may the world will be better place for living,and the IM will win a Nobel peaceful prise,living IT's live in
happiness
Re: Important Note To All Forum Visitors and Ezboard Personn
I like this forum a lot and i would not like it to close down tell Ezboard to @#%$ off and leave the forum alone.And maybe yes i need to tone down my attitude !U should make a list in a new topic and list all the nicks of those who are close to getting banned (including me) and then warn those people (including me) ok its just a surgestion by the way who is I.M ?
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I completely agree with everything ZAU had to say.
Very well said.
If u cant see how ur rivals are thinking you cannot possibly ever come to a truce with them and make compromises.
Bozur Registered User
Posts: 10
(1/2/03 10:37 pm) Reply
Hell Noooooooo
I dont want this forum closed down and I also beleive that the forums administration was as fair as it can get, also I know who this IM is since I read the message on Serbian Cafe few days back. IM is Igor Malinovski, a Serb from Macedonia who is a pronordic rasist who called on other Greek forums Greeks as ni>>ers and who also hates Montenegrin Serbs and Bulgarians with extreme passion and also highly dislikes rest of Balkan region which he cansiders backwards and primitive. I mean if it was anybody else complaining about racism it could be valid but Igor, it is like Hitler complaing about intollerance and undemocratic methods. I am sure there are others here who are aware of Igor's internet reputation and know what I am talkin about.
I am albanian and i do not agree with some other albanians in this cause. I see they support it extremely
I do not support it, because this forum has racism in it and i myself was going to contact a ezboard high member for this closure. If you do not see the racism
First: albania is not in the regional rank which is in extra regional where mostly all the provinces are.
Second: Too much propaganda in this forum , dont blame anyone there is propaganda from my side too.
Third: if an international guy comes in this forum he will go away in the first sight since everyone swears a lot infact on basing themself in facts.
If these changes are made or at least some of these than no problem will be concerning the closure of this forum
P.S : This forum is not the biggest Balkan Forum
AAdmin Moderator
Posts: 73
(1/15/03 8:58 pm) Reply
Re: Closure of this forum
"Third: if an international guy comes in this forum he will go away in the first sight since everyone swears a lot infact on basing themself in facts."
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But that same international guy will be impressed with "poetry" that "AlbanianPride" comes up with ( I had to tranfer the poem to Forum Farbarum as a result of high degree of "refinement and finesse" the poem posseses)!
Or maybe the same international guy would be more impressed by "AlbanianPride" threatening Pyrros and stating he wants to eliminate his entire family pub18.ezboard.com/fbalkan...21&stop=29
As far as the issue of the position of Albanian forum that was answered
Point is that for a while NOW Albanians have their own forum in which they are free to express their opinions as long as they act civil).
NOTE: Albanians do not hold any monopoly on Illyrian name since "Illyrianism" (first Yugoslav movement) was originally a movement by Croats and Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia under Austria-Hungary in the middle of 19 century (at the time when Albanians were not even aware of their illyrian origin which is still not proven conclusively nor is that 100% possible since we are talking about a nation long extinct under that name while there is NO remnnants of Illyrian language with wich Albanian can be compared to) . At that time and prior to that time Croats, Serbs and Bosnians in Croatia and Bosnia called themselves "Iliri" or Illyrians while Rascians (Serbians) were known to foreigners (such as Hungarians) as Illyrians. Most of Illyrian territory was not in Albania (in fact only north parts of Albania were part of Roman province of Illyricum) while the capital of pre-Roman Illyria has been in todays Montenegro (on the border with Croatia in the todays city of Risan from where queen Teuta ruled Illyria). There is absolutely NO records of Slavs ever populating any region in Montenegro, which is in fact a slavized illyrian region with no similarity with ANY out of Balkan Slavic countries and few similarities with Balkan countries (only with the regions in its vicinity). Make no mistake, most of Serbs-Croats-Bosnians ARE Illyrians and that especially goes for Montenegrins and this is completely independent of any Albanians. Not to mention that Serbs and Croats had (historically registered) contacts with Illyrians, in fact Illyrians supposedly "disappear" while their regions are renamed and "populated" by states of Croats, Serbs or Rascians, Travunians and Doclea or todays Montenegro (although no major migration settlements were ever recorded) while the name Albania is only one century old and state Albania is only one century old.
In fact Doclea (named after Illyrian tribe of Docleats - todays Montenegro www.montenegro.yu/english...istory.htm ) is the oldest south "Slavic" state in Illyrian region (dated to more that 1000 years ago and records of this state are in Greek) www.montenet.org/history/doclea.htm
and who is a clear successor of ancient Illyrian statehood. Repeat - Albanians NEVER had a state until 20 century (except a short lived state by Skenderbeg or Kastrioti in 1400's) www.encyclopedia.com/html...istory.asp while first written records in Albanian language are no more than 500 years old.
"Albanian is written in a standard roman-style, adopted in 1909. The first written record seems to be a baptismal formula from 1462. " albanianoverview.netfirms.com/vocab.htm
So we have some Illyrian-Albanian gap of 800 years (both when was albanian language first recorded or the time of Skenderbegs state) between when Illyrian name supposedly disappeared (~600AD) to (~1400AD) while Illyrian- Doclea gap is only 200 years (from ~600AD to ~800AD). This info was strictly informational.
Also I dont see certain Albanians complaining that (and this is also within ezBoard) there are people who seem to have absolutely NO relation with Illyria (unless you call one of the parts of some Shakespeare's book where he mentions Illyria in a manner that has NO relation with ancient Illyria and in a manner that some might call insulting) who are using that name, example
Illyrius Registered User
Posts: 2
(1/15/03 11:16 pm) Reply
Re: Closure of this forum
Very well put AAdmin. The truest Illyrians without a shadow of a doubt are MONTENEGRINS. Doclea is the original successors of Illyria, history doesn't lie while even anthropology states that the population in Montenegro was not affected by Slavic movements during the barbarian invasions and that Montenegrins are descendants of not only pre-Slavic but even pre-Roman population.
Also I am happy that there is a forum like this one where one can see many different balkan nationalities interacting together.
AAdmin Moderator
Posts: 78
(1/16/03 9:35 am) Reply
let history speak for itself!
Teuta did rule originally from Skodra and then from Risan in SW coastal Montenegro from were she waged war with Romans who were "protecting" the Greek colonies in Dalmatian islands from Illyrian attacks.
Skodra throughout the history was for the most part WITHIN Doclea(or Dioclea) or one of its its successor state such as Zeta and then Rascia (later named Serbia). In the bellow maps one can see that Skodra is part of Doclea or one of its descendant states from map 800AD to map 1400AD and part of Ottoman empire from map 1500AD to map 1900AD. The only and first time that it ever becomes part of Albania is in visible in the map 2000AD. This is ilustrated through the following maps;
1) The same person (IM) has informed me that he continues to persuade ezboard to close down IM.
Since I like to have a plan B, here it is.
In case IF is closed my Balkan Cafe Forums becomes substitute Illyria Forums (which I will enhance and enlarge as I am planning to do the same with current I. F. ) . I can recreate it with ease since even the more important and more interesting topics from I. F. are duplicated and can be recreated. I can also increase traffic with ease if I desire to do so (= I.M.'s attempts are ultimately futile).
also if I. F. forums is closed there will be note on www.illyria.net and what is its substitute.
2) I am planning to rearrange and greatly increase the number of forums in IF's some time in the future (not in the near future since the whole thing takes whole days work and it involves rearranging topics to proper forums as well, I will not give any time frame for this event). Regional section will be rearranged and will appear more accurate (regional will equal countries). Illyria forums after that will truly have a total Balkan feel and a more professional appearance to it with many regional and extra-regional forums and many history and related to history forums.
Srbolog Registered User
Posts: 2
(2/7/03 6:30 pm) Reply
Zecanine,svi linkovi su skupljeni.Svi tvoji forumi bice krk!
Jel' znas budalo da ne smes da koristis nijedan drugi jezik osim engleskog i da je ovo BESPLATNI forum,sto znaci da vlasnik moze da te istera kada hoce.Jesi li normalan?Kakvi mirori,ko si ti da BEZ PARA zauzimas tudj prostor?McCullosh i McMillan kompanija su obavesceni zbog neovlascenog citiranja njihovog kopirajtovanog materijala.
Plati ti 200$ mesecno za web-space,pa govori sta hoces.
Zecanin Registered User
Posts: 3
(2/7/03 10:56 pm) Reply
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Srbologu ili I.M. (Igoru Malinovskom)
Idi i lijeci tu opsesiju dok ti nije kasno jer ocigledno je da ti se psihoemotivno stanje pogorsava.
Srbolog Registered User
Posts: 3
(2/7/03 11:12 pm) Reply
Re: Important Note To All Forum Visitors and Ezboard Personn
Goni se bre seljacino pecalbarska!Vidi stoku polupismenu, objavljuje UDBAska dosijea o meni po vaskolikom internetu,a misli da necu da reagujem.I ne seri pisholoska sranja nekome ko je doktor medicine,jado i bedo.Sad ima da ti udre tuzbu posle koje ima da se smatras srecnim ako te ne deportuju iz SAD u tvoju "rasno dinarsku superiornu" Crnu Goru,bedo koja ne govori ni srpski ni engleski.
Attacks start again
Message from Serbian cafe posted from the same individual 'Srbolog' (Igor Malinovski) who desperately wants this forum closed because of his personal vendetta against me (and he seems opsessed with me for some reason for a long time time, clear medical case). He claims that forum is used to spread racism which is false and couldnt be further from truth.
This is coming from the very same inividual that is a pronordic racist that was calling Greeks (under a nick Social Darvinist a year ago I believe) the N word in Real Macedonia Forum and was calling worts names Dinaric Serbs (especially Montenegrins) and Albanians in the former Plutonas Balkan Forum. Illyria Forums in reality is used to create dialogue between Balkan and other nationalities where everyone can express their opinions in a civil manner. Illyria Forums are unique forums of its kind where all groups represented are free to express themselves and even moderate their own forums.
This bellow is his message. Readers please express your opinions regarding his claims (or those who know him can write about him for Ezboard to see what kind of personal internet integrity are we dealing with here) that this is a racistic forum. The more opinions the better. Aldso write if you think that Illyria Forums have overall improved since the last time I.M. attacked them over half a year ago (Feb.).
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Quote:To the Administration of Ezboard forums.
A Warning: extensive hate-mongering forum.
The so-called "Illyria forum"
contains graphic racist pseudoscientific projects that are verbal & instructive assault on everybody and everyone.
It is a project of racist known on the web by nicks Zetaman or Zecanin,whose real name and place of residence are well known to me and may be put to disposal to any interested relevant Federal Agency in USA. Taken by itself,the preceding isn't relevant but the content of the Forum is:
-Division of themes on ethnic,racial and physiognomic basis.
-Deployment of provocative thesis about racial,intellectual and other forms of inferiority/superiority of given groups.
-Usage of profane,near pornographic vocabulary in the act of derogation,ridicule and stigma-attaching of various social strata on the base of heredity.
-Derogations of non-American ethnic groups on the above mentioned bases
-High density libelous propaganda against ethnic groups that make White,Black,Jewish and other parts of US populations with well known slurs,and attachment of morally,functionally,psychophysically lower grading via pseudobiological essays,whose vulgarity surpass the most extensive use of four-letters words.Just reading this alleged dialogue will make evident the depth of moderator's madne............
Zečanine,daj malo ekavice,ne mogu da dešifriram više taj Pentagonski Crnogorski za instant-Kontraobaveštajce.................
PS: For those of you who are leaving comments please concentrate about the main topic (Illyria Forums itself) and not sporadic ones such as who is connected more to Illyrians, etc., (for those topics there is other more specialized forums).
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