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Blood and Iron 
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(4/6/06 10:02 pm)
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Mountaintop Barbecues
A big part of ancient Greek religion was what i would like to call the Mountaintop Barbecue. Ancient Greeks had animal sacrifices.

Zeus wants: Bulls and Goats
Posiedon wants: Bulls and Horses

Note: Both want the stompiest animals around. Why? Because Zeus is the rain god, the thunder god and is associated with animals that make a lot of noise such as the bull. Posiedon is Zeus's brother and god of the sea, and earthquakes, has the epithet "earthshaker" or "earthmover". All along the mediterranean there was bull worship, which is the same reason Satan is most likely portrayed as having bovine or goat features (hooves, beard, ect) because if you're christian, the god of your neighbours is your "ungod".

So where do you have the barbecues to sacrifice these animals? These days anything religious is usually done inside of a building (the temple), so people tend to think this activity was done indoors. But, if you take into account that the 1st order of Greek buildings is Doric, and Doric temples were first made of wood, having an indoor barbecue in a wooden building doesn't make much sense.

The indoor part of a temple usually housed the statue of the deity and had religious icons and any monetary wealth the temple would accumulate. This is the same reason that when the barbarians invaded the Byzantine empire, they made a beeline for the churches because they knew thats where all the loot was.

The outside of the temple had a "temenos" which was a yard with a sacrificial block next to a firepit. They would light the wood the day before the sacrifice and make sure the wood turned into coal more or less because everyone knows you cannot cook something on burning wood because it will ruin it. You have to let the wood burn crisp first. The next day they would cut up the animal. Sometimes, the shaman would inspect the guts of the animal to see a message from the god they sacrificed to. Romans had a special shaman specifically for this job called a "Haruspex" or "goat-examiner". Greeks tended to have more or less all-purpose shamans that were not specialized.

Walter Berker has written a lot of books on sacrifice practice. The rules of sacrifice were very highly developed and you even have some myths that are etiological for these rules. You had rules for gender, size, markings, how you kill the animal, and what time. But the most important rule was to not eat sacrificial meat out of turn. This was the mistake that Prometheus made when he cheated Zeus out of his sacrifice and was punished.

If a homeless person showed up at the "barbecue" he could not be turned away because he could be a god in disguise. There are so many stories involving gods in disguise that they just couldnt turn them away. Animal sacrifice then, served 2 purposes. A social and an economic purpose.

On the economic side any meat left over from the festivities would be sold to the butcher and the butcher would then sell it to the public as "holy meat" which would fetch a good price.

The ritual was so ingrained into society and served a dual purpose that even after the arrival of christianity, this ritual remained as a social event. I know from personal experience that Albanians still have "hilltop barbecues". Can anyone confirm this for the Greeks? Any similar traditions to this?

Xalvas 
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(4/8/06 3:12 pm)
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Re: Mountaintop Barbecues
for the moment i cannot remember any identical "hilltop" barbecues (good title, it says it all, the smelling for the gods and the food for the people :lol )

if i'm not mistaken, i have "heard" about such events in local communties around Greece, but didn't look further into it.
In cities such a possibility is not offered.
however,
A similar pan-hellenic custom nowadays is the one of Kathari Deutera, which is the day (always Monday) that marks the beginning of the Sarakosti (a 40 days fast, until Kiriaki -Sunday- of Easter).
During that day, it is a custom to go to hilltops -usually- and make a sort of barbeque, food must not be meat, fish, cheese/dairy products, drinks. That is, usually we eat that day laghana (specific type of bread for this day), vegetables, olives and other foods excluding those i mentioned earlier. When in Sarakosti, and you have chosen to fast, these foods are not eaten (otherwise you don't fast :p ). For those who fast, drinks (ouzo, wine etc) are permitted during the weekend or special occasions (like 25th march when during that day fish is also allowed)
also, this activity is accompanied by the flying of the kite. Many people gather together in these places (namely, a couple of them, the Likavitos hill in Attica and the forest of Thessaloniki)
Continuing, after these 40 days, the day of Anastasi and the end of Sarakosti [Easter's Sunday] we spit a lamb, a custom carried out usually in yards though (or streets :lol )



Nje faqe Nje fare
IPIROS


Edited by: Xalvas  at: 4/8/06 3:21 pm
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