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Kartadolofonos 
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(11/8/03 1:28 am)
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Pyrrhus, King of Epirus
The Age of the Caesars - Pre-Christian Rome



GREEK WARS



Above: An original bust of Pyrrhus, king of Epirus, who came to Italy and Sicily with his army and elephants to help the Greek cities in those territories. Although gaining an initial victory, it was at such a cost to his forces that he was ultimately defeated. Ever since then, any hollow victory which ultimately leads to a defeat is known as a pyrrhic victory.

As Roman power and influence grew, so it became ever more inevitable that a clash with the Greek settlements in southern Italy would follow. War did indeed break out as the Romans started occupying the southernmost points of Italy.

A Grecian king named Pyrrhus, from the city of Epirus in northern Greece, was hired by one of the Grecian cities in southern Italy, Tarentum, to help ward off the Romans. Pyrrhus managed to inflict a defeat upon the Romans which temporarily stayed the latter's excursions.

However, the cost of the victory - in terms of men and materials - was so great, that it exhausted the Greek expeditionary force, and by 270 BC, all of Italy had fallen to Rome, with the Greeks being unable to maintain the war against Rome. Ever since then, any empty victory - which ultimately leads to a long term defeat - has been called a Pyrrhic victory.

Edited by: Kartadolofonos  at: 11/8/03 4:15 am
Upzzz
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Re: Pyrrhus, King of Epirus
The illyrian king but him back in his throne not greeks fool!
And also he was illyrian not greek!
iron21man
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I am Pirrushi on one side of the family, tracing my leanage all the way to Phyrrus (probably from Phyrrus and Brikena leanage line). I am a Cham, with my ancestory from Epirus, well from Chameria as i know it. To me Phyrrus was definitely Illyrian.

There are several ancient old cham song linking Pirrushi clan with Phyrrus.

Kastorianos
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WQhere are you from Epirus iron?

iron21man
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(6/13/05 8:45 pm)
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Aderfe Kastorianos, ton Pirrushi epitheto ine apo tis filates. Exo polous sigenis me auton ton epitheto, ine apo tin plevra tis manas mou. Milane Alvanika omos. Exo arxea katagoi apo auti tin perioxi.

Kastorianos
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Re: .......
:eek
Re milas ellinika? Pou ta emathes?

Alla apo pou ksereis oti to Pirrushi proerchetai akriwos apo ton archaio Pyrro? I den to ksereis?
aLb CoMmAnDeR
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(6/21/05 12:12 am)
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Iron21man........


IRON21MAN YOU SPEAK GREEK ?????.............

Edited by: aLb CoMmAnDeR at: 6/21/05 12:13 am
Double Headed Falcon 
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Re: Iron21man........
is there some source i dont know about that says pyrrus was illyrian? i mean.. is there even a source that says the ancient epirotes were illyrians?



and what will we do without barbarians? they were, those people.. a kind of solution.

ILIRI I MADH
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Re: Iron21man........
Well there isn't a source that says that Piro was Greek either!

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Meltdown711
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(8/27/05 2:21 pm)
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well!
I cant say using the modern greek flag next to Pyrrhus has any sanity to it. But by all accounts, Epirotians, whether Illyrians by blood, were a hellenistic people. Pyrrhus spoke Greek, and we dont have any info on what the Illyrian language could have been. However, Pyrrhus was indeed raised by an Illyrian.

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Ever since then, any empty victory - which ultimately leads to a long term defeat - has been called a Pyrrhic victory.


I dont know how proud I would be of that if I was Pyrrhus.:lol
Poor guy, another historical figure who falls victim to the "history is written by the victors"

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Edited by: Meltdown711 at: 8/28/05 3:00 am
pyrrhusthecham
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Re: well!
Pyrrhus was clearly a non-greek...even though he spoke greek...
you cannot determine someone's origin by their language....

leandros nikon 
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(10/16/06 9:06 pm)
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Re: well!
Theodor Mommsen...
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The History of Rome, by Theodor Mommsen

Etext Book II Chapter 7

ancienthistory.about.com/..._2_7_2.htm



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The Historical Position Of Pyrrhus
Pyrrhus, king of Epirus, was himself simply a military adventurer. He was none the less a soldier of fortune that he traced back his pedigree to Aeacus and Achilles
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He has been compared to Alexander of Macedonia; and certainly the idea of founding a Hellenic empire of the west -- which would have had as its core Epirus, Magna Graecia, and Sicily, would have commanded both the Italian seas, and would have reduced Rome and Carthage to the rank of barbarian peoples bordering on the Hellenistic state
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he was the first Greek that met the Romans in battle. With him began those direct relations between Rome and Hellas, on which the whole subsequent development of ancient, and an essential part of modern, civilization are based.
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this struggle between Rome and Hellenism was first fought out in the battles between Pyrrhus and the Roman generals;
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But while the Greeks were beaten in the battlefield as well as in the senate-hall, their superiority was none the less decided on every other field of rivalry than that of politics; and these very struggles already betokened that the victory of Rome over the Hellenes would be different from her victories over Gauls and Phoenicians, and that the charm of Aphrodite only begins to work when the lance is broken and the helmet and shield are laid aside.




no comment...

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leandros nikon 
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link:greek culture of epirus and macedonia...
p083.ezboard.com/fbalkanshellenicforum.showMessageRange?topicID=3493.topic&start=1&stop=20

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alibaba
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(10/18/06 2:47 pm)
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Re: link:greek culture of epirus and macedonia...
A munet dikush me ua perkthye ktyne flliqėsinave greke, se nė atė kohė Pirroja e ka folė gjuhėn helene (jo-greke) si gjuhė ndėrkombėtare, ashtu siē flitet sot anglishtja.Se nuk ka asnji burim qė Pirroja t'i ketė thanė nanės tij kalimera, ai ka folė shqip nė familje.

Nuk iu duket pak qė njė kurvė nga fisi i tyre e vrau me tjegull (qeremide) por tash duan edhe t'a turpėrojnė me atė emėr tė shėmtuar "grek".

Edited by: alibaba at: 10/18/06 2:48 pm
leandros nikon 
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Re: link:greek culture of epirus and macedonia...
how comes u have already been a grand instigator from your 67th post?looks pretty difficult to me...

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