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AAdmin 
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(5/10/06 5:06 pm)
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Reasons for getting a Grand Insigator (GI) Tag!

1) Anyone who doesn't act in a civil manner and ignores repeated warnings will first receive an Instigator Tag (I tag) and then GI tag or will receive GI tag directly if the case is too extreme. (GI tag restricts one to only 5 posts per day).

2) Anyone who uses generalizations in an insulting manner and is purposely doing it in order to make more moderate members turn more extreme (such as themselves) by making them more defensive.

3) Excessive spamming.

These would be basic reasons for giving someone a GI tag.

(List might be extended per need basis)

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Edited by: AAdmin  at: 5/14/06 12:19 am
Osmano
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(5/10/06 5:35 pm)
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Anyone who uses generalizations in an insulting manner and is purposely doing it in order to make more moderate members turn more extreme (such as themselves) by making them more defensive.



I have got a lot of those accusations in the past only because not everyone here is familiar with the Armija BiH term of what a cetnik is: a member(or supporter)of Karadzics and Mladics fascist VRS or any of the other military and para-military terrorist movements(such as “JNA” and “Arkanovci”) that was on Karadzis and Mladics terrorist side during the aggression on the independent state of Bosnia. So people complain when I tell them that they are Cetnik supporters(per definition) even though this is nothing but the truth. Mapko seems to finally realize this, you know it so what am I supposed to do now when faced with such idiotic accusations???

Also I have another question: just like the term “vlah” instead of “serbs” is considered offensive and should probably go under the rule mentioned above: how about the refusal to use the term “Bosnjak”?




VELIKIM BOGOM SE KUNEMO DA ROBOVI BITI NECEMO!!!

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8399080813244347471&q=bosnia&pl=true

www.flurl.com/item/Poturice_u_123523

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6820180172333494103&q=Bosna&pl=true

Edited by: Osmano at: 5/10/06 5:39 pm
mapko
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So people complain when I tell them that they are Cetnik supporters(per definition) even though this is nothing but the truth. Mapko seems to finally realize this, you know it so what am I supposed to do now when faced with such idiotic accusations???

Your logic is very flawed Osmano, and the only thing I realize is that very fact. Every Bosnian Serb supports Republika Srpska (the ones who don't are considered traitors). You're essentially equating every Serb with an extremist and deragatory label just because they support Republika Srpska. It's the equivalent of labelling every Croat an Ustasha because they support Croatia and wanted to seperate from Yugoslavia, or calling even Bosniak a Balija or Jihadist because they support Bosnia and and wanted to seperate from Yugoslavia. By your definition, the vast majority (over 95%) of Serbs are Chetniks, so obviously there is something wrong with you using that term so liberally.

Also, calling a Serb a vlah is an insult. Calling a Bosniak a Muslim is NOT an insult, but it is incorrect. Calling a Bosniak a Balija is an insult. Calling a Serb a Pravoslavac/Orthodox Christian is NOT an insult, but it is incorrect. Hopefully you'll understand these comparisons, but I doubt it. Your logic is just awful, it's a good thing you're not a moderator that could enforce such fallacious reasoning. :p

AAdmin 
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Re: Reasons for getting a Grand Insigator (GI) Tag!
Marko stated a far more logical argument that works all around, for everyone. Justice can not be reached by only favoring one side and appearing biased.

In fact behaviors such as this are the primary reason why I have added such rule after responding to other people who have complained about his generalizing insults that can turn moderate people into extremist.

I will do everything in my power to limit such destructive behaviors since I am far more interested in keeping as much as possible moderates moderate then keeping around extremists to dwell as they wish unrestricted.

One more time for those confused bellow is the link to

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Edited by: AAdmin  at: 5/10/06 6:10 pm
Osmano
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(5/10/06 6:09 pm)
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Your logic is just awful, it's a good thing you're not a moderator that could enforce such fallacious reasoning. :p


:rollin

Okej mapko, I apologize for mentioning you:p I did not create the Cetnik definition for all RS supporters/defenders Armija BiH did. And the reason why I mentioned the Bosnjak-Muslim and Vlah-Serb definitions is because Admin posted something about "doing it in order to make more moderate members turn more extreme (such as themselves) by making them more defensive" which should apply to the refusal to use the term bosnjak.


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In fact behaviors such as this are the primary reason why I have added such rule after responding to other people who have complained about his generalizing insults that can turn moderate people into extremist.

I will do everything in my power to limit such destructive behaviors since I am far more interested in keeping as much as possible moderates moderate then keeping around extremists to dwell as they wish unrestricted.


I realized that and that is why I replied so quickly. My point is simply a complaint about
1. you adding new rules which promote your definitions: "not calling all bosnjaks bosnjaks because You don’t consider the bosnjaks outside today’s borders of Bosnia as bosnjaks"(you posted some of this cetnik radicalism on Montenegro forum)
2. you stopping everyone else from using the correct definitions just because you don’t like them(A RS supporter/defender is a CETNIK per definition!)



VELIKIM BOGOM SE KUNEMO DA ROBOVI BITI NECEMO!!!

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8399080813244347471&q=bosnia&pl=true

www.flurl.com/item/Poturice_u_123523

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6820180172333494103&q=Bosna&pl=true

Edited by: Osmano at: 5/10/06 6:18 pm
AAdmin 
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Re: Reasons for getting a Grand Insigator (GI) Tag!
I expressed my opinion here and it was in no way pro-serb (read it more carefully as in no part of that reply do I claim Bosniaks as Serbs) or biased. I even stated that most natural ident would be Illyrian one or Montenegrin one (without mentioning a Serb one). Also I was refering about ones who declare themself as Montenegrin.

I simply stated my opinion without calling anyone names and without generalizing anyone nor was I insulting anyone just because they stated a different opinion from mine.

You on the other hand have managed to generalize again here and called me a Chetnik (???) because you disagree with my views and this is what I find disturbing since you display such negative generalizing boldness towards me and what exactly is left towards other forum visitors with whom you disagree with.

All I am asking is to express yourself without insulting people and what appears troubling is that you dong even appear to even be aware of when you are insulting them.

By generalizing someone what you are (perhaps unconsciously or unaware) doing is attempting to dehumanize them and stop seeing them as an individual.

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Edited by: AAdmin  at: 5/10/06 6:30 pm
AAdmin 
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Re: Reasons for getting a Grand Insigator (GI) Tag!

If someone wants to make a case about someone getting a GI tag they can make their case in whatever forum such issue is related with and I will evaluate it while being as unbiased as possible (I have in the past given GI tag to people regardless of their nationality but only as relating to their forum behavior).

Also the more replies are given from different individuals in support of such case the more such case could become stronger.

Also if a person is given a GI tag such tag can be removed if there is an obvious improvement in behavior of such person.

Again, I will do everything in my power to move this forum in the direction that can be seen in purpose of Illyria Forums.

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Edited by: AAdmin  at: 5/10/06 6:46 pm
Osmano
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(5/10/06 6:53 pm)
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I expressed my opinion here and it was in no way pro-serb (read it more carefully as in no part of that reply do I claim Bosniaks as Serbs) or biased. I even stated that most natural ident would be Illyrian one or Montenegrin one (without mentioning a Serb one). Also I was refering about ones who declare themself as Montenegrin.


The most important thing is that you naturally deny that they are BOSNJAKS right;)


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I simply stated my opinion without calling anyone names and without generalizing anyone nor was I insulting anyone just because they stated a different opinion from mine.


Hey it is your forum you have the power to propagandamaximze it as much as you like all I’m doing is pointing it out.:)


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You on the other hand have managed to generalize again here and called me a Chetnik (???) because you disagree with my views and this is what I find disturbing since you display such negative generalizing boldness towards me and what exactly is left towards other forum visitors with whom you disagree with.


And I find it disturbing that you plan to stop me and others from using the correct definition for those terrorists who committed the aggression on Bosnia and that you encourage radicalism such as not recognizing Bosnjaks outside Bosnia as Bosnjaks.


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All I am asking is to express yourself without insulting people and what appears troubling is that you dong even appear to even be aware of when you are insulting them.


And you are Insulting the Bosnjaks when claiming that they are not Bosnjaks. You act like you don’t seem to realize that even these "insults" are relative. But okej I am ready do make a compromise. From now on I will personally not call cetniks/cetnik-supporters like you(per definition that is) and others here directly by their corrcet name. But I will demand the freedom to point out that your views(some of them) are the same as Seseljs.

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By generalizing someone what you are (perhaps unconsciously or unaware) doing is attempting to dehumanize them and stop seeing them as an individual.


You are probably 100% right there but I don’t find a problem with that because if/as long as you support the terrorists who once attempted to cut my head of when I was 7 years old and managed to cut the head of others just because they refused to be “serbs” then you @#%$ deserve to be "dehumanized" since you already lack the human-qualities of respecting human life.



VELIKIM BOGOM SE KUNEMO DA ROBOVI BITI NECEMO!!!
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8399080813244347471&q=bosnia&pl=true
www.flurl.com/item/Poturice_u_123523
p083.ezboard.com/fbalkansfrm81.showMessage?topicID=53.topic
And the Cetnik test: p083.ezboard.com/fbalkansyugoslaviaforum.showMessage?topicID=383.topic

Edited by: Osmano at: 5/10/06 6:58 pm
AAdmin 
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Re: Reasons for getting a Grand Insigator (GI) Tag!
" The most important thing is that you naturally deny that they are BOSNJAKS right "

I never stated such thing as I was referring to people who consider themself as Montenegrin. Ones who consider themself as Bosniak are indeed Bosniak as one is what one considers oneself to be.

" Hey it is your forum you have the power to propagandamaximze it as much as you like all I’m doing is pointing it out. "

Stating ones opinion is exactly that and I allow all to do the same, all I am asking is to be done in a civil manner. I have never tried forcing my opinions on anyone nor have I even made an organized attempt to speared my views on others so I find no grounds on accusations of me spreading propaganda.

" And I find it disturbing that you plan to stop me and others form using the correct definition for those terrorists who committed the aggression on Bosnia and that you encourage radicalism such as not recognizing Bosnjaks outside Bosnia as Bosnjaks."

I encourage radicalism by asking everyone to be civil in the manner they express themselves. I have always stated that I am in full support of arresting all war criminals thus there is no grounds on these accusations either (plus I have always regarded myself as primarily pro-Yugoslav which fully distances me from the madness of the 1990s).

" From now on I will personally not call cetniks like you and others(per definition that is) here directly by their right name. But I will demand the freedom to point out that your views are the same as Seseljs."

If you can quote what they said and connect it to opinions of Radicals then feel free to do so.

" You are probably 100% right there but I don’t find a problem with that if you support the terrorists who once attempted to cut my head of when I was 7 years old and managed to cut the head of others just because they refused to be “serbs” then you @#%$ deserve to be "dehumanized" since you all ready lack the human-qualities of not respecting human life. "

First let me say that I am very sad to hear such stories and always feel sad when I hear them but you seem to use them as an excuse to spread hate and extremism (you are turning some of the younger members here towards more extreme positions).

I really don't know what your agenda here is (it doesn't appear to be a positive one) but I will state it again that in no way that I feel any connection to any ultra-nationalist crap that occurred in the 1990s. You on the other hand seemed to be obsessed with it in practically every post.

If anything I wish that all the anti-yugoslav nationalism's (including with first Milosevic who was obviously feeling more serb then yugoslav which was followed by other nationalism's) never existed and that Tito created only a Yugoslav nation decades ago, fully secularized with religions fully marginalized.

Deep in my heart Bosniaks, Croats , Montenegrins and Serbs were and are (at least were) Yugoslavs, one people speaking the same language who now cary different idents (based on religion primarily, which speaks volumes about whether these are authentic ethnicity's (my opinion on related subject is here).

Ultra-nationalists of 1990s have managed to brake up a strong country and make myriad of smaller states, much weaker in comparison and as far as I am considered it would the the same as if Germany would brake up into Bavaria, Saxony etc. (in order words not exactly different people).

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Edited by: AAdmin  at: 5/10/06 7:18 pm
Osmano
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you seem to use them as an excuse to spread hate and extremism (you are turning some of the younger members here towards more extreme positions).


If it is extremism to not tolerate the idea of Cetniks and RS as something normal then I’m guilty and so is everyone who wanted a free Bosnia.


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I really don't know what your agenda here is (it doesn't appear to be a positive one)


My agenda here is simply to protest every time someone claims that cetnik propaganda like your video on Jugoslaijva forum should be considered as the truth.


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but I will state it again that in no way that I feel any connection to any ultra-nationalist crap that occurred in the 1990s.


I honestly find that hard to believe especially after your milosevic-propaganda video.


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You on the other hand seemed to be obsessed with it in practically every post.


Yes that is my war-related trauma I guess.


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If anything I wish that all the anti-yugoslav nationalism's (including with first Milosevic who was obviously feeling more serb then yugoslav which was followed by other nationalism's) never existed and that Tito created only a Yugoslav nation decades ago,


Those are Zlatkos words and in a perfect world they would be yours and mine too.



VELIKIM BOGOM SE KUNEMO DA ROBOVI BITI NECEMO!!!
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8399080813244347471&q=bosnia&pl=true
www.flurl.com/item/Poturice_u_123523
And the Cetnik test:p083.ezboard.com/fbalkansyugoslaviaforum.showMessage?topicID=383.topic

Edited by: Osmano at: 5/10/06 7:33 pm
statebriga
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I expressed my opinion here and it was in no way pro-serb (read it more carefully as in no part of that reply do I claim Bosniaks as Serbs) or biased.


thats so Osmano, WHn i once said that i dont like where they build Mosques and churches he twisted it in some way that i ment "destroy" every mosque but didnt mention churches...

Thats why no one likes him here on the forum, and Vjack to... They both takes pieces of other posts and put them together so that fits them..

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