Any Hellenes from Northern Epirus, might wish to take alook at this.
Kaoni99 Moderator
Posts: 233
(12/7/03 7:48 pm) Reply
Ymanatos, did you see that???
I wish my good fried ymanatos was here to see that web page...
He kept complaining about ultra-nationalistic Alb web sites with strange maps on them.
Those guys have even the form to apply for North Epirus Citizenship... And the flag (great design, by the way... )
That's crazy...
Btw, why is KnezArchdickelos posting this stuff?
I consider this a very impolite and dirty provocation and urge the moderators of this forum to do what it takes...
Re: Ymanatos, did you see that???
Bravo Knez Archangelos!!!!
Very nice side!!!
Its time that Northern Epirus first become independent and the unites with mother Greece!!!!
Albanians out of Greek Northern Epirus!!
"I consider this a very impolite and dirty provocation and urge "
Kaoni I know, the truth hurts.....
heimarra Registered User
Posts: 44
(12/7/03 9:40 pm) Reply
nice job
Kaoni, whats wrong with someone trying to promote his site andv beliefs. I dont beieve the moderaters can do anything . he hasnt done anything wrong. there are thousands of sites for north epirus .Actually , there is a northern epirotic society in america , canada, australia , with over 100, 000 members , just from those countries listed. Last night in Athens , we had a dance the himara society with over 800 people . The mayor from himara, vasili bollanos was there.
Kaoni99 Moderator
Posts: 234
(12/7/03 10:43 pm) Reply
Reciprocal respect!!!
Himariot,
In today's cyberworld you will certainly find any website or any reflection of any belief.
There are websites with maps of Alb including Cameria or other regions and I have always been contrary to such websites being posted on this forum.
That is because I respect you and your sentiments about your country and I value tolerance and communication. And it is natural for me to expect to be shown the same respect.
I am glad you have had a good time with Mr.Bollano.
If you see him again, please ask him when did his family migrate to Himara (from the lab village my own family originated from!!!).
Regards
shpata Moderator
Posts: 1353
(12/7/03 11:11 pm) Reply
kaon
it doesnt matter the prrof youlle give him, he is conveinced hes been greek since the begingin of time.
the slaves from droppulli are greek, but not himariots.
check this page out. these so called greeks have gheg catholic surnames and even slavic one such as zhupa or sava.
Re: kaon
To those members who do not like what i have to post, then dont read it. You talk about how the mods need to do somethin about me yet you attack my name? It is you who needs to be dealt with.
To any Hellenes, Tosks, Slavs, or Vlachs on this forum who would be interested in what this Mirconation is trying to do, please email them. Its not a political organization or anything like this. Its just an attempt to unite the Northern Epirotean people.
If anyone wishes to know more about what a Mirconation is, just ask.
SAVVA/SAVVATO
Do you speak a Greek shpata i dont think so
suterday is savvato ..savvas is greek name..
for the micronation..hm.. autonomy is 4 me ok
goal..us Albanians have from serbia..Micronation
intepented..i dont agree..If you make microstate
Please dont take kaoni for minister of economy..
he gonna take a profit from IMF perhaps 50%
and 20 %bonus..
actually...
I highly doubt that Sava is of Slavic origin since that has no meaning in Slavic language and the most famous Serb (non-balkan Slavs dont even have this name, but only Serbs and perhaps Bulgarians) with that name is Sveti Sava who was a member of Serb rowalty who later dedicated his life toa life in Ortodox monostery and more than likely took name Sava from Byzantine Greeks. Another ward similar to that is river Sava that was in preslavic times (in roman Illyricum - in northern Pannonia) called Savus and thus is not associated with Slavs again.
More proof that the name is Greek Sava/Savas Russian origins. From the Greek word sabbas meaning old man
Some more 'Serbian' names that are in effect Greek
-Alexander (Aleksandar) From the Latin form of the Greek name Alexandros. From alexin meaning to defend and aner meaning man or warrior (One of the oldest names to be recorded). Other forms include Alexsander (Polish), Alejandro (Spanish))
-Basil (Vaso) From the Greek basileios meaning kingly
-Cyril Greek meaning lord or master
-Demetrius (Dimitar) Greek meaning of Demeter the Earth Mother
-Gregory (Grga, Grgur) Greek meaning watchman
-Jerome (Jeronim) From the Greek name Hieronymus meaning holy name
-Luke (Luka) originates from the Greek Loukas which means man from Lucania
-Mathias/Matthias (Mato; Croat-Mate) Greek form of the Aramaic derivative of Matthew meaning gift of God
-Michael (Mihailo) Greek from the Hebrew Micaiah meaning Who is the Lord?
-Miles/Myles (Milo) Old German meaning generous or Greek meaning millstone
-Myron (Miro) Greek. From the name of a famous sculptor meaning unknown
-Nicholas (Nikola) Greek meaning victory of the people
-Peter (Petar) From the Greek petros meaning stone or rock
-Philip/Phillip (Filip) Greek meaning fond of horses
-Theodore (Teodor, Todor) Greek meaning God's gift
-Thomas (Tomo) The name given to one of the twelve apostles. From the Greek word didymos meaning twin
-Spiro (SHpiro) Greek, an abbreviation for Saint Spiridon (the walking saint)
Kaoni99 Moderator
Posts: 236
(12/8/03 9:44 pm) Reply
Sweet dreams...
Keep dreaming!
There doesn't exist a place called Northern Epirus my greek friends.
There is only Albania. One. Unbreakable.
In good relations with good neighbours that respect her. (I am referring to EU countries such as Italy...)
Away from uncivilized, mentally and sociologically backward chauvinist countries.
I thought Greeks were more civilized than you guys.
Still, I pray to God that you are not a representative bunch!
Re: Sweet dreams...
CIA "Cleanses" Hellenic Minority in Northern Epirus
Portion from a map of ethnic minorities in Eastern Europe, as published by the US CIA.
If one thought that ethnic cleansing was accomplished with barbaric violent means (as was the case in 1923, 1955, 1974 etc.), then one should spend the time to focus and learn about the current situation Hellenes of Northern Epirus are living through.
After years of pressure from the European Union and the United States, the past two Hellenic administrations followed a policy of "approachment" towards the Albanian side. Of course, such an approachment would find a great stumbling block - the human rights violations against the Hellenes in Northern Epirus.
Northern Epirus (although still in foreign hands), was liberated twice this century alone by Hellenic forces. The existence of this huge Hellenic community (ranging in excess of well over 200,000), is now being disputed by the Albanian government, the CIA, and even the Hellenic government!
As far as the Albanian government is concerned, their actions surprise no-one. Their dreams of a "Greater Albania", which would include areas of Vardaria ("FYROM") and Kossovo, would be greatly faltered if they faced insurrections or ethnic tensions in the south.
The Hellenic government instead of protecting the ethnic Hellenes currently in Albania, it has turned a blind eye to their hardships and suffering. Instead of aiding their fight for more rights and even autonomy, it has aided the Albanian government in arresting and detaining dissidents of that oppressive system.
In an interesting development, the Hellenic Nationalist Page has discovered publications and images by US government agencies (CIA), that are aiding in the elimination of the Hellenes of Northern Epirus.
On the CIA's server, and under the Albanian country report for 1993, one can see an 8% Greek minority under ethnic divisions. Under the same report but for 1995, the Greek minority is listed as constituting only 3% of the population!
If the information presented by the CIA is in fact true, where did that 5% of Albania's population go? We are talking about a mass "migration" (ethnic cleansing) of about 170,000 people!
The CIA report also makes note that 20% of Albania's population follows the Greek Orthodox faith (both in 1993 and 1995). If 5% of the Albanian population (ethnic Hellenes) "disappeared", and going under the assumption that the vast majority of the Hellenes are Orthodox, how come the percent of Orthodox believers didn't change? Did 170,000 Muslim, catholic, and atheist ethnic Albanians convert?
But no, the answer is quite simple. In both reports (as well as the one for 1992), under ethnic divisions it clearly states that it is an estimate made in 1989. Do 1989 estimates change every few years? Or is it that the US government (just like the Albanian and Hellenic) are trying to make the Hellenic minority "disappear"?
Another interesting document discovered was a "detailed" map of the ethnic groups in Eastern Europe. As one can see from the section of the map included in this report, the Hellenic minority is but a "small" one; one comparable to the Turkish minority in FYROM!! We are not making this up people! The maps are there for you to see with your own eyes.
An interesting point in the map is that in which the CIA takes the time to note that Vardaria is called FYROM (marking it with an asterisk), while at the same time calling the ethnic group that lives in the country Macedonians (no Slav or any such junk preceding it). As reported last year by the Hellenic Nationalist Page, even US President Clinton recognizes a "Macedonian" nation (of people). But I'm sure the Hellenic government has an excuse for that as well...
What a shame and what hypocrisy. When a Hellenic pilot flies a crop-duster over Northern Epirus to focus some public attention on the oppressed Hellenes there, he is treated like a criminal. When a Turk violates our FIR, our air space, our territorial waters, over-flies one of our islands, and then crashes in our sea, we treat him like a welcomed diplomat! These are the people that govern us.
Re: Sweet dreams...
Lol! I wonder where dear Ymanatos might reside in these times (surprised he has no reply in this thread?)!? I mean afterall, he did claim that Greece has overcomed the mentality which is evident in the bird-sized brains of Kartadolofonos&co whom still believe Southern Albania is greek ( )!!!!! Where is that moderate Greek?
Realise for once that the area/territory you're referring to as 'Northern Epirios' is Albanian Land ethnically/linguistically/culturally/geographically/politically and a couple of greek speaking villages scattered alongside the albanain-greek border does not make the territory under discussion greek by any means.
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These are the same people that claim the Cham issue is a legend or a closed chapter. Meanwhile they dont hesitate to claim further increase of the privileges the small greek minority allready enjoys in Southern Albania. On the other hand, Greece has ridiculously stated that it is 100% homogenous (ethnically speaking) and that according to them "Greece has only a small religious minority in Thrace"!!!!
This thread does in reality not even deserve to be replied to, however maybe some greeks (perhaps Ymanatos) will come to realise that there are Greeks whom still havent overcomed the 'Megali Idea' mentality....! Hopefully they wont have a future in modern Greece, because only then can Greece be a true member of the EU in almost all aspects (and to admit there are non-greek ethnical groups in Greece)!!!
shpata Moderator
Posts: 1359
(12/9/03 3:32 am) Reply
greeks show their true face
on one hand theyre claiming we are the racist nationalists while they are the ones falsifying history and even creating one, there is no such thing as vorio epirus and those rebelleions were albanian.
this is stupid
claiming south albania is as stupid as slavomakedonskis claiming all of macedonia because of Florina and Lerin. This is silly, why cant these people just act normal, then people might take them seriously, until then, it is just embarassing.
i think this arises from people not knowing history. its like the american rednecks that believe u.s. has been "liberating" countries since world war II. It is a nationalist myth, and it gets dangerous.
i am an american of greek descent, like i said before, so its hard for me to try to analyze this thing that is having a resurgence in greece. this xenophobic and nationalist thing. it is very strange, because i really think it is mostly a new phenomena. who can imagine greece, one of the only 3 countries of europe to formally and completley oppose the nazis in world war II to go off the deep end just in the past 10 years or so. i see it in my relatives from greece too. i always try to steer away from political conversation. like even though i dont agree with the bombing of kosovo or the total demonization and one sided view of the serb people, its like to some of these right-wing greeks, the fact that innocent kosovars were murdered does not even matter to them. like, it doesnt even come up. it is sick, and i think it is crazy and arises from lack of education. good education that is. it is by no means just greeks who have it, but recently this right-wing movement is taking off everywhere, and americans in general are totally ignorant of such things, and could really care less what happens to kosovars, or cypriotes, etc. the thing that makes it different as that i think greeks should know better.
i think it is the new global culture that is taking over the world. it causes people to cling tighter to these old ideas, and it makes people lose their identities, particular young people. in reaction they search for the identity that they think will be most noticeable.
megali idea is in kosovo today..
We see the reality in kosifopedio=kosovo
Albs terrorists drives serbs out..now!!
Also the liberators Albs has kill allot compatriots!!
a verry dirty war.. and u wont intepentent state
from serbia! so if Norh epirots makes equal demant
u gonna say not..In FYROM Albs has make war for
own reasons..But North Epirots asks u in sivilize
way please give to us litle freedom Kaoni
u say that u are a sivilise person..i belive it
u dont see any diferens between those 2 cases..
Albania dont prodects the Greek minority..
In Greece the minority is in own prosperity..
greeks in Albania have allot of ur gift=misery..
Albania has meny times to expatriate all ethnic
Greeks from N epiros us u say s Albania..
Is that ur sivilisation ..Turks also has use that tactic
after 1925..All 270.000 Ethnic Greeks ..are away..
from there..But in Greece we have the Turkish one..
there is the sivilise level....compare it now..KAONI...
shpata Moderator
Posts: 1364
(12/9/03 9:09 pm) Reply
Re: megali idea is in kosovo today..
you know why there is no touble in from vorio epirots???? why they dont rise to arms???
because they are little in numbers thats why.
remember 1997?? albania went into anarchy. it started from the south. in vlora. it soon spread to saranda and gjirokaster. why didnt we see any greeks with weapons in the town?? after all they are supposedly the majority in the region.
why were they all albs??
i hope not all greeks are stupid and blind as ahristos above.
Edited by: Double Headed Falcon at: 12/9/03 9:42 pm
Re: megali idea is in kosovo today..
Because Greece has not act like Albania .In Kosova
and Albanians in Fyrom..
Greece has not suporte the radicals..
Also Greece dont have any Teritories dimance..
The only one we hope is minorities respect and
Humans valities restoration..In Albania..
Is easy to act in criminal way but dificult to behave
sivilise way..Greece have not organise the minority..
We dont wont a conflict..
So take a good care the minority that dont happens
the last..Balcan war..We dont wont wars..
we dont wont more hate..If Albania takes a good
care for minorities..Greeks vlachs slavs..
So Greeks Had not supporte from Greece to do any
uprisen..So they had to prefer by political way..
This is civilise act..Lets see if works in Todays
Albania..The operation AK 47 in Albania..is a good
story..KLA..Kosovas direction and gungs free entries
in Albania and suporte KLA from Albania this is
old story..If Greece ha behave equal.. There use ur brains..
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at: 12/9/03 9:43 pm
Reciprocal respect!!!
)!!!!! Where is that moderate Greek?
greeks show their true face
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