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BibleRiot
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(8/18/05 12:30 am)
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Vlachs in post-communist Albania
I don't know if this article has been discussed here before, but it certainly sheds an interesting modern light on some other discussions we've been having.

Mythic Forefather
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(8/18/05 1:45 am)
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Re: Vlachs in post-communist Albania
Nice article.

It's not clear how connected these Albanian Vlachs were with the Vlachs of the Second Bulgarian empire. In fact it's not clear how homogeneous the various Vlachs were, ranging from Istria, to Dalmatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. Their language or dialects were related, but their political orientation was not the same.

BibleRiot
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(8/18/05 2:52 am)
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Re: Vlachs in post-communist Albania
LOL --- actually Mythic, I was referring to other discussions involving Vlach identities ... about events in 1914. A wee bit earlier.

God ... the Balkans. :lol

Ngadhnjyesi
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(8/18/05 4:30 am)
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Thus, many national heroes referred to in today's national historiography are known among Aromanians as actually having been Aromanians, such as, for example, the former Greek conservative party leader Averoff, or—in the Albanian case—the famous Frasheri Brothers, considered to be the most important figures of the Albanian national movement. They originate from the same Albanian village that the Albanian Aromanians also known as "Frasherliote" (= people from Frasheri) are said to come from.


The logic used here to make the connection between the Frasheri bros. and the Vlachs is almost laughable.

Based on this logic I can be a Vlach too. The village where my father comes from is Bajkaj in the Delvine region. It was split in half between the Bektashi Labs and Orthodox Vlachs and the interaction amongst them was almost inexistant. Now if some of these Vlachs made a name for themselves and came to be known as Bajkaqiote does that make the other Bektashi half of the village Vlach too?

This theory that Vlachs made the "best Albanians" is one that Kadare attacked in his latest book which I mentioned in the article about Skenderbeg.

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This evokes memories of the late Albanian communist period when even the best-known Albanian writer, Ismail Kadare, explained the cruelties committed against Albanian people by the fact that the Politburo was composed of a quarter, if not a third, of Macedonians and Aromanians.


This is where I think Kadare is wrong. The cruelest members of the Communist party were Southern Tosks consisting mainly of Labs of the Mehmet Shehu type. Vlachs in general are more peaceful than the average Albanian Msolem.

Kadare tends to glorify Albanians (especially Northerners) which is not wrong per se and wants to extricate them of any wrongdoing. What better way to do that than accusing someone else for your wrongs?

In fact Vlachs have contributed immensely to the Albanian cause and some of them in fact did turn into the "best Albanians". I personally know a few Vlachs (Sander Prosi's first cousin whse father was the first dentist in Tirana) and they are some of the best people that I have met in my life but these "theories" have gotta to stop.

The Vlachs who settled in Tirana and central Albania early did in fact made huge progress but the ones who stayed as sheperds were no different from the Albanian sheperds in the South like my grandfather.

Having said all this I can understand the Vlach viewpoint which is somewhat similar to the Arvanitis in Greece.

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"They are Nietzsche's over-men, these primitive Albanians — something between kings and tigers". Henry Noel Brailsford

Edited by: Ngadhnjyesi at: 8/18/05 4:59 am
kapshtriqi
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(8/18/05 4:56 am)
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Re: Vlachs in post-communist Albania
I am 1/4 vlach.My grandmother spoke the language.

The article mentions that the vlach diaspora organized a meeting in Freiburg, Germany back in 1997.

Interesting since I was offered a scholarship by the vlach association in albania whose leaders were friends with my family (you know how it goes) to go and study guess where...Freiburg, Germany.

I turned it down cause the US was a better option.

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Che fece .... il gran rifiuto

To certain people there comes a day
when they must say the great Yes or the great No.
He who has the Yes ready within him
immediately reveals himself, and saying it he goes
against his honor and his own conviction.
He who refuses does not repent. Should he be asked again,
he would say no again. And yet that no --
the right no -- crushes him for the rest of his life.




Edited by: kapshtriqi at: 8/18/05 5:06 am
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