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...I was born and raised in a city where majority of vlah minority lives. They are well integrated. Intermarrieage are common, they don't care to marry albanians either moslem or orthodox. I have a good friend of vlah origin here in usa and he was married with a moslem lady. (i mean nominal moslam like 90% of moslem albanians are). I know that he is of vlah origin even he never mentioned that to me. He just consider himself orthodox albanain. Knowing he is a vlah doesn't make me think less of him. A big part of them still consider themselves vlahs and proud of it. I have nothing agains them. I was raised amongst them and don't see them differently from Albanians.
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Hehe...well nonsense about Vlacha nd Romanains and Macedonias and Albanians...
...most Vlachs in Albania don't even know they'r Vlach. They have been Albanized probably for centuries now. Even those that may "know" they are Vlach by ethnicity...most dont care at all and don't even know what a Vlach is to begin with.
95% of them...consider themselves as Albanians...the other 5% may know but don't care either way.
But this is the same situation with Vlachs everywhere they are. In Greece they are most Hellenized...and have been for centuries. In Serbia they are mostly Slavonized...and have been for centuries.
The Vlachs seem to have adapted wherever they have gone.
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o Sali, ill i pashuar
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planet ua shkaterrove,
neper plehra i hodhe.
Rrofsh, Sali, me gjith' PD-ne,
Lumturi per Shqiperine!
Me PD-ne dhe Saline
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Shqiperin' ta zbukurojme,
demokracine te ndertojme.
O Sali, ill i vertete,
te na rrosh njemile vjet!
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(2/27/06 8:25 pm) Reply
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There was a vlach couple who lived in the same apartment building I lived in wayback in Tirana. I remember them vaguely but they were the only real vlachs I knew since I never spent much time in Korca. The ones I knew were Albanian Vlachs, not vice versa. Their first language was Albanian.
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One of my mother's friends was albanian of Vlach origin (did not speak Vlach, albanian was first language) and i consider her as albanian as me. I never met a Vlach who preserved the language in Albania.
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according to most experts albanians are romanians that migrated south that would explain the similar language, names, and everything else.
i did some research on this a while back if your interested search in google and youll find alot of proof about about it.
there was some stanford reasearch done about it to.
Quote:nah, i found a little somthing about it on wikipedia
"Albanians are Dacians who were not Romanized, and migrated south."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language
if you do some more research youll find more artcles about it its only a matter of time before it officially accepted as a fact.
Just because you wanted to be a fact that doesn't mean it is...and just because you are vlah that doesn't mean we come from you...how come vlah's don't speak language that I understand at least a little bit...
Vlachs and Albanians have similar syntactical structures and share some words becasue they lived in close proximitiy with one another for centuries...at the time when both languages were taking on new forms.
There's no such thing as "most experts" saying anything of the sort. Instead...most historians say that they lived close togather and therefore there was some interchange in the langauge...mainly in terms of syntax and not words. This is supposed to have happened in the areas above Kosova today...where Romanians used to live and came into contact with Albanians...and this was at a time after Romanization of the Dacians. The Vlachs...being nomadic...came into contact with the Albanians and when the Vlach dialect was formed it was in close contact with the Albanians.
Thats about all the Albanians and Romanians share...
As for Vlachs in Albania...as was said...I'v never met one who actually could speak their language. And it has nothing to do with Korca or not...my entire family comes from Korca or surrounding areas...I'v been there many times...never met one who could speak it. Never met one who could recognize he or she was anything other than Albanian...so its hard to tell who is a Vlach and isn't...since most would have no idea otherwise.
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"Azem pishtari, hajdari i demokracis!"
Sali Berisha ne miting.
"Keni me pas kompjuter n cdo dhom jo pentium dy e tre por pes!"
-Dr.Rrumpalla, qyteti "Studenti"
"Jam shum i gzue qe po marr pjes nhidherimin tuej"
- Dr. Rrumpalla
Sali! Enver! Jemi Gati Kurdohere!
O Sali, ill i karvanit,
shpetimtari i vatanit;
o Sali, ill i pashuar
ne gjith' boten i degjuar!
Lumturi neve na solle,
ka armiqte na shpetove,
planet ua shkaterrove,
neper plehra i hodhe.
Rrofsh, Sali, me gjith' PD-ne,
Lumturi per Shqiperine!
Me PD-ne dhe Saline
jemi gati kurdohere
Shqiperin' ta zbukurojme,
demokracine te ndertojme.
O Sali, ill i vertete,
te na rrosh njemile vjet!
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Im vlach on my mother's side, and her family has been albanized in her generation. She and her brother and sisters do not speak vlach, neither do any of the kids, but my grandmother speaks vlach fluently.
albanian vlachs
King Gentius, that means 'How are you? - Fine.' Literally it says 'What are you doing? - Well'.
Kapedani, just because your Vlach acquaintances didn't speak Vlach in your presence doesn't mean they don't know it. They may have been too polite to exclude you by saying things you didn't understand. Respect for those who don't speak Vlach is an old Vlach tradition.
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(3/1/06 1:10 pm) Reply
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King Gentius:
Zborlu (a)romanescu-i dultsi.
Tini zburashti (a)romaneste.
Ma cum s'fatsi?
Seems to me that many of the building stones of the nations in the southern and south-western Balkans are of "vlach" origin... Though many today consider themselves "true" this or that, there is still a vlach vein showing in many parts of the area...
Ma oamini buni, di limba a voastra tsini mai tsani?
Why Vllach of Albania (have very little in albo forum) claim that Vllach dont have any relations to Romanians?, They say that Romanians make propaganda over Vllach, They claim that Vllach are diffierent people from Romanians.
Quote:Kapedani, just because your Vlach acquaintances didn't speak Vlach in your presence doesn't mean they don't know it. They may have been too polite to exclude you by saying things you didn't understand. Respect for those who don't speak Vlach is an old Vlach tradition.
Nop...can't speak it. I'm certain there's family members of mine who have some Vlach heritage in them too...they don't even know it too.
I'v never met one who could speak it...sorry...You'll only find them if you go to talk to some of them who are over 90 years of age maybe.
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"Azem pishtari, hajdari i demokracis!"
Sali Berisha ne miting.
"Keni me pas kompjuter n cdo dhom jo pentium dy e tre por pes!"
-Dr.Rrumpalla, qyteti "Studenti"
"Jam shum i gzue qe po marr pjes nhidherimin tuej"
- Dr. Rrumpalla
Sali! Enver! Jemi Gati Kurdohere!
O Sali, ill i karvanit,
shpetimtari i vatanit;
o Sali, ill i pashuar
ne gjith' boten i degjuar!
Lumturi neve na solle,
ka armiqte na shpetove,
planet ua shkaterrove,
neper plehra i hodhe.
Rrofsh, Sali, me gjith' PD-ne,
Lumturi per Shqiperine!
Me PD-ne dhe Saline
jemi gati kurdohere
Shqiperin' ta zbukurojme,
demokracine te ndertojme.
O Sali, ill i vertete,
te na rrosh njemile vjet!
at: 2/28/06 3:45 pm
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