Waiting for the Mitchells to die, to frame Scott !
ABC NEWS
Now Kristen, whose due date was a few weeks ahead of Laci's, is the mother of a son named Connor, the same name Laci had chosen for her unborn son.
The Reeds say they're not sure what to think of Scott Peterson's arrest last week. Greg Reed said he last spoke to Scott on Christmas Eve, hours before Laci was reported missing. Reed said Scott called him from his cell phone to firm up New Year's Eve plans they had.
"On the afternoon he called from his mobile phone to mine, and we had spoke probably once or twice a week, so it wasn't a phone call that I would see as unordinary. He sounded chipper and looking forward to getting together," Reed said.
Reed said Scott never mentioned that he had been fishing that day, but he said he didn't find it unusual since it was a short conversation.
Later that day, the Reeds heard from Scott again, but his demeanor had changed. "It went from a wonderful celebration of Christmas to a frantic voice mail message from Scott that evening looking for Laci, wondering if I had talked to her that morning," Kristen said.
The current consensus of those who have been paying attention: this is not ABC news, it's a reasonable analysis:
"The prosecutor says they have not collected all the evidence that is required to support the theory that Laci Peterson died in her own home. Tell us something we do not know. We clearly understand the fact that if it was legitimately plausible to justify Scott Peterson's arrest, it would have occurred months ago.
So the ONLY gameplan of the prosecution is to hound Scott Peterson until he drops dead, just like Richard Ricci did.
Welcome to Nazi Germany.
How do they get away with this? They get away with this by spending more time trying to keep details of the so called "evidence" authorities gathered from the couple's home, Scott Peterson's truck and boat, and a storage locker, a secret.
Indeed, they had to go to court to convince a judge, that it was necessary to maintain the secrecy of evidence which had been illegally sealed. The decision was very controversial but not surprising because the bias of the prosecution is difficult to override.
And how do they plan to continue to hide the fact that there is no evidence, absolutely NO EVIDENCE which even remotely suggests the right to detain Scott Peterson?
Details of what evidence authorities have gathered from the couple's home, Scott Peterson's truck and boat, and a storage locker are in court documents that have been sealed by court order, to create the false impression that evidence exists.
And now, the prosecution continues to cover up the fact that there is NO EVIDENCE to implicate Scott Peterson in any crime.
Since there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to justify arresting Scott Peterson, the police know they would have to lie through their teeth to survive a preliminary hearing to determine if there is enough evidence for a trial, and Brazelton cannot possibly maintain this charade unless he uses the secrecy of Grand jury proceedings, to avoid the principles of justice that we all take for granted.
Why are the Police afraid of a preliminary hearing, are they afraid that Scott Peterson is going to escape? It would be appropriate to call these clowns Keystone Cops if they did not act like Nazis who destroy real people and real lives who deserve justice and freedom.
[Since this was written, Brazelton has done his flip flop and he now claims that the preliminary hearing will be held in July, but nothing has changed. There is still NO EVIDENCE which even remotely suggests that Scott Peterson murdered his wife. These revisions that the authorities routinely produce to create the false impression that they have been fair in this case, are absolutely predictable. District Attorney James Brazelton is now saying that he hopes for a July preliminary hearing to present evidence necessary to take Peterson to trial, but conceded it could take up to 2 years before a trial begins. To be sure, if the Mitchels are dead in 2 years, it will be much easier for the Modesto Police Department to promote the National Enquirer's version of events. Two years will also give the authorities the opportunity to deal with Scott Peterson the way they dealt with Richard Ricci -but this time they have no excuse because Laci is no longer missing and there is no legitimate cause to extend the torture of Scott Peterson.]
The Police are still so absolutely desperate to implicate Scott Peterson they have made the claim that they have found tide and current information on his computer, a national obsession. Mark Geragos called this so called evidence "devastating" because he has obviously been convinced "the police went out and did some sonar of that area and that they had actually spotted something that they thought in the area appeared to be a body..." Geragos has bought the CREEPY GOSSIP, hook line and sinker, but even a seasoned INQUISITOR like Nancy Grace, the MORON who called Richard Ricci a murderer, understands the fact that the evidence on Scott's computer proves that he was planning to go fishing.
The absolute obsession to destroy Scott Peterson's legitimate alibi has produced a perpetual fishing expedition which has indefinetely postponed justice, and the Nazis who are tolerating this fraud deserve nothing less than the DEATH PENALTY. Nazi spokesperson, Ted Rowlands, has hinted that there is more evidence to come, and that can certainly surface as easily as Connor did, but at this point, it is not possible to frame an innocent person more than once -it doesn't make any difference what they come up with now.
If it was even remotely plausible to suggest that this Inquisition is anything less than what one would expect from Nazi Germany, you can denounce the extreme language but if you want to remove all doubt about the parallel, talk to Laci, talk to Conner, talk to Scott's mother... Talk to Laci's mother, as long as you understand the fact that she has merely become one of thousands and thousands of jury members who are successfully manipulated by those who routinely convict innocent people. If the rage of Laci's mother does not convince you that the Nazis have arrived, nothing ever will.
Half of the men facing execution in Illinois were found to be innocent by DNA forensic science, and now, the Nazis who are trying to proclaim a death sentence on Scott Peterson, are looking for a way to deny Scott Peterson the right to prove that he is an innocent man, by keeping the fact that there is no DNA to implicate him, a secret.
The absolute obsession to cover up the truth has failed and those who are acting like it possible to frame an innocent man over and over and over again, until they get it right, deserve the death penalty. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH."
I am bothered by the fact that the police made statements that they could not confirm Scotts alibi that he was at the marina, and allowed the media to use this statement to paint Scott as a liar long before Amber came about. And now we know they have one or more eye witnesses that saw Scott at the marina around noon, the exact time his original alibi story would have put him there.
These lies add creedence to Scott's claim that he told the Modesto Police about Amber on December 24, 2002, and indeed, it is reasonable to assume that if Scott Peterson was lying about that, the police would not have hesitated to publicly declare him a murder suspect long before he was arrested. It is now safe to assume that if you discount the lies, Scott Peterson did not give the police any legitimate reason to call him a suspect. Actions speak louder than words. The police kept saying that they were going to arrest Scott Peterson but they never dared until somebody decided to do the unthinkable.
For 4 months everyone said Scott was lying about going to the Marina and now all those same people are trying to use that alibi to hang him. Talk about pure, unadalterated hypocrisy.
When Scott Peterson was cooperative, people called him a liar because he had absolutely no idea where the MURDERERS dumped Laci's body. NAZI is an understatement, to describe the CREEPS who claim that Scott Peterson has failed to cooperate with the police. Scott Peterson told the police about Amber on December 24, 2002, because when he came home and his wife was not there, it was obvious that his wife had been kidnapped and Scott Peterson was prepared to do whatever it took, to get her back -and you can take that to the bank. The Mitchells are too bright to confuse Christmas Eve with any other day of the year, and you can take that to the bank as well. The Nazis who arrested Scott Peterson on Good Friday, are obviously too obssessive to respect anything, and you can take that to the bank as well. God did not bring Connor back for ther sake of proving that his father is a murderer, and that is another matter of fact, you can take to the bank."
INNOCENTtilprovenGUILTY
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(5/3/03 5:18 am) Reply
HANG THE ASSASSINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of my former students is going around posting preposterous claims about "blood evidence" in the Laci Peterson case, and I feel obliged to set the record straight.
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Aren't you the little twerp who dropped out of my law class to create the impression that you would not fail? I recognize your writing -good thing you quit.
Blood evidence, real or imagined, measures the degree of your illusion, because when the defendant is clearly innocent, the existence or the non-existence of blood has absolutely nothing to do with HIS complicity. The only thing that really matters in a case where all the facts are clear and obvious, is the cause of death. How did the creepy man who kidnapped Laci while she was walking her dog, murder her? That is the only mystery here and we have to rely, not upoon your delusions about the existence of blood evidence, but upon the clear and undeniable facts.
First and foremost, the bodies of evidence strongly suggest that Laci Peterson was shot in the head, and the question you need to consider is what happened to all the blood? [This is the criminal eqiuivalent of the philosophical, "if a tree falls in the forest..."] Clearly, if Laci was indeed shot in the head, as the evidence suggests, the kidnapper obviously needed to cover up the cause of death, and that explains why it was possible to miraculously recover the fetus amd not the head. Only a foolish law student would ignore the fact that the remains of Laci and Connor were recovered in a manner that was deliberately supposed to conceal the cause of death. Firearms are responsible for most homicides and removing the head does not obscure the fact, in a case where Doug Ridenour said "the investigation is still ongoing, and will continue until it is solved or until we run out of leads and tips to investigate." Finding the body is not the end of the ride. It is only the beginning.
Some of the key facts of thes case are as follows:
[Debate]But I think that I disagree with you when you say that Amber is not being used to implicate Scott.
She is supposed to be the "motivation", remember?
I'd like to know when she became the "motivation" was it before or after Laci Peterson was murdered?
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You're right, that is their motivation, thank you. I guess that answers somewhat the question about why they didn't "seclude" her before and why they had her give a press conference.
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A body that would have washed ashore immediately would have yielded excellent DNA. If someone did take Laci, THEIR DNA would have been all over her, as well as cause of death. The sea was the perfect asthetic cleanser to wash away incriminating evidence over time, plus the killer would have the added benefit of taking the focus off of them and shifting it to Scott. Scott's alibi was out in the media on day ONE when he first reported her missing, so it was well-known by the public.
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I have a problem with the logistics concerning those bodies washing up. For one thing, consider the vast amount of space in that ocean. It's HUGE, with under currents and forever changing tides. Is it also coincidence that those bodies washed up within ONE DAY of one another? Neither body floated at an extremely different pace, nor did one body become lodged on anything underwater to restrict its movement. The chances of that are beyond comprehension - and that includes any 'spiritual' theory. The second thing is the location of both bodies in relation to one another. Again, beyond logistics that they would wash up within such a close proximity to one another. The ocean is HUGE, as of course, are the shorelines. Not to mention the black tarp that conveniently washed up, the next day...
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Conclusion: The real murderers had Laci wrapped in that black tarp in the bottom of the sea, and removed the weights, to force the police to arrest Scott Peterson. Alternative theory: GOD wanted to punish Scott Peterson. National Enquirer theory: Scott Peterson bludgeoned Laci to death in his home on December 23rd, had Laci over his shoulder while he received his receipt from the marina, mixed some concrete, placed Laci's feet in it, wrapped her up in a tarp and threw her overboard. Try accepting those logistics...wow ! Who needs forensic scientists, as long as we have the National Enquirer?
The choices for the jury are very clear. They can look at the facts and determine that Scott Peterson is being framed, they can claim that God wants to prosecute Scott Peterson or they can accept the demagoguery that the National Enquirer has promoted, to demonize Scott Peterson.
Debbie Stewart
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(5/6/03 5:54 pm) Reply
This is TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scott Peterson was spotted at the Marina WITHOUT LACI, when Laci was spotted walking her dog, and some quacks are now suggesting that he coached his dog to return home without a leash, to fool the police. Is anybody really that Duh-h'm.
Hey, how about the Modersto Police Department?
Vivian Mitchell, 78, says she and her husband, Bill, were the last people to see Laci Peterson, but she says Modesto police haven't talked to her about their Christmas Eve sighting.
"I called and told them that I'd seen whom I thought was her and it would be pretty difficult to have an identical twin and identical dog," Mitchell told ABCNEWS affiliate KGO in San Francisco. "I did think that it was strange they didn't call. I just thought they had some information that over-rode what I had seen and I just thought it was strange that nobody ever followed up," she said.
Mitchell says it took her a week to call the police, because she assumed others in the neighborhood had also seen Peterson walking her dog.
Mitchell says she remembers seeing Peterson, who was eight months pregnant at the time, between 10 a.m. and 10:15 a.m. on Dec. 24. That's about 45 minutes after Scott Peterson told police he said goodbye to his wife and went fishing.
Mitchell has a very clear and deliberate understanding about the fact that December the 24th is Christmas Eve, and unlike the demagoguery of Dan Abrams and others, there is absolutely NO CONFUSION about the date.
If there was another pregnant woman in Longview Washington, as Candace DeLong suggests, did she rescue her from her kidnapper?
686 Date: 2004-02-11 12:02:50
David Sween ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
The death of Vivian Mitchell is as eerie as locating the headless corpse of Laci Peterson and Scott's "pristine condition" son, to implicate an innocent man.
Vivian Mitchell was a key witness because, like Scott Peterson, she told the police that Laci was wearing black pants and a white top on Christmas Eve. If Scott was the murderer, the last thing he would do is lie about the clothes that Laci wore, when he killed her.
When you dig beneath the surface, the entire case against Scott Peterson has been about using the intelligence that only the murderers would know, to implicate Scott Peterson. As long as Vivian Mitchell was alive, she was in a position to clearly and convincingly expose the preposterous, prosecution suggestion that Scott Peterson is the murderer because he lied about what Laci was wearing, on the day she disappeared. Clearly, Scott Peterson did not tell Vivian Mitchell what to tell the police and that is what you call pure evidence. When Laci walked Mackenzie, on Christmas Eve, and I use the fact that Laci's own dog confirms the suggestion, to prove the point, she wore black pants and a white top, and this simple fact was widely reported in the media. Did anybody issue an "all points bulletin" to locate a missing woman in tan pants? Vivian Mitchell would have died laughing if that had happened.
Scott Peterson had no idea what Laci wore when she magically surfaced because he did not shoot his beautiful wife in the head. My ignorant critics say that if I am so smart, why don't I find Laci's head? The answer is simple. I am not responsible for the murder of Laci Peterson and I am not the one who is exploiting the knowledge that only the murderers would know. I merely point out the fact that Laci was probably dismembered before being dumped, probably to cover up the cause of death. All the preposterous, "magic head" theories that pundits routinely manufacture are so disgusting, that I have a panic attack, every time I hear a moron advance his so called, investigative skills, to suit the "revelations" that are published in the National Enquirer.
The people who are responsible for the murder of Laci Peterson are experts at exploiting their "intelligence" and the ignorance of all the pundits, but in the final analysis, they are directly responsible for proving that Scott Peterson is absolutely innocent. We are talking about innocent beyond the shadow of any doubt, because there is no greater difference between a "slam dunk" and this transparent scam which seeks to create the false appearance that Scott Peterson is guilty. There is no greater difference between Scott Peterson and the people who kidnapped his wife, on December 24, 2003. Vivian Mitchell may be dead, but her observations are as relevant as ever.
685 Date: 2004-02-10 23:36:57
CASE CLOSED ( no email / message.alturl.com) wrote:
684 Date: 2004-02-10 23:27:38
Pam Clark ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
I know this sounds gross, but I was reading another board which suggested that Laci was buried in a shallow grave and then dumped, to implicate Scott Peterson and the argument makes a lot of sense because the evidence indicates that Laci was probably dismembered prior to going into the water.
Isn't that why her head is missing? I am not one to believe preposterous theories -the head is not there...period, and that strongly suggests that the head is probably still in the shallow grave the body was initially dumped in. If that was not the case, the head would have turned up by now.
Like the rest of you, I also think that Vivian Mitchell and Laci's dog are currently the most reliable witnesses to the fact that Laci was alive and well, on December 24, 2003.
683 Date: 2004-02-10 12:21:19
To accuse Scott, you need... ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
--A hysterical police force that refuses to return the calls of intelligent, reliable eye witnesses like Vivian Mitchell
--A hysterical DA's Office that repeatedly leaks to the National Enquirer to demonize Scott
--A gullible public that tolerates this excessive abuse
--Hysterical, neo-Nazi eye witnesses who replace independent witnesses like Vivian Mitchell because they claim that Scott Peterson is guilty
--Hysterical demagogues like Nancy Grace, who falsely claim that eye witnesses like Vivian Mitchell coached Scott Peterson's dog, to create an alibi
--The bizarre, disgusting list goes on and on.
All you need to conclusively prove that Scott Peterson was absolutely shocked when his wife was kidnapped on Christmas Eve is the ability to view the evidence without distorting it
--it's called, simple, common sense.
682 Date: 2004-02-09 18:12:52
Richard Reed ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
Mrs Mitchell was not alone. At least two other residents of the neighborhood where Laci Peterson lived also claim they saw her walking her dog between 9:45 and 10:30 a.m. on the day she vanished. These witnesses are extremely reliable and only a fool would challenge them because Laci Peterson's own dog confirmed their onservations. I agree with everybody who considers Vivian Mitchel's testimony to be conclusive.
681 Date: 2004-02-09 17:33:27
Lisa Kent ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
Bill Mitchell defends the credibility of his wife. "I really think they had a theory, and facts that don't fit the theory sometimes don't impress others,'' Bill Mitchell, 84, said in a telephone interview from his Modesto home. "We're both long in years, but she was a good observer, and she was positive up to last Sunday when she could still talk."
Vivian Mitchell's account would have corroborated Scott Peterson's account of what happened Christmas Eve morning. Geragos has suggested that Laci Peterson was abducted by two men while walking her dog in a nearby park.
Bill Mitchell said that although he and his wife met several times with Geragos and his legal team, no formal deposition was ever taken. Without it, her account would be considered hearsay and would never make it to Peterson's trial.
Robert Talbott, a law professor at the University of San Francisco, says Vivian Mitchell's testimony could have been damning for the prosecution's case, which appears to be overwhelmingly circumstantial so far.
"If the jury would have found her credible, it would have meant big problems for the prosecution," Talbott said. "It would have thrown their whole timeline off."
God Bless Vivian Mitchell, she was a very credible witness to the fact that Laci Peterson was kidnapped.
680 Date: 2004-02-08 02:08:10
Jordan McQueen ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
Vivian Mitchell was not an old fogey. It's too bad she is being treated like one -guess they have to do it now, to justify her death.
679 Date: 2004-02-08 01:46:35
This was posted, March 2, 2003 ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
Has it been pointed out that the Bill and Vivian Mitchell live next to the same river bed park system as the Peterson's? I'm very curious if these three parks have a trail meandering throughout?
Mrs. Mitchell said she thought Laci was heading for Kewin Park. Kewin Park is also a part of the very same river bed park system as the La Loma Park next to the Petersons. Apparently these parks adjoin...Kewin being to the SW of La Loma.
Could Laci have been either entering (or exiting)the park in the area of the Mitchell home?
Of course the MPD doesn't want the Mitchell's statement. Their entire focus since day ONE evaporates along with their *93* sacks of "evidence" in the event that the sighting of Laci after 10 a.m. that morning is verified.
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Take a peek: Very interesting. recall the Peterson address is: 523 Covena Avenue, Modesto
William and Vivian Mitchell 231 Buena Vista Drive, Modesto
The Mitchells house has the star. The Peterson house is located at the upper right of the map (click on the arrow on the upper right side) The streets that follow the southern perimeter of this park run directly from the Peterson's to the Mitchell's. (The Peterson's resident is just around the corner from Edgebrook Dr., on Covena.)
No wonder the Modesto resident in this group who appears as a MPD mouthpiece wants to discount and disparage the Mitchell's as senile old fogey's. ..and the MPD doesn't want to hear anything about it.
It's obvious when you look at the map.
***You're right. The map certainly makes it look like the Mitchell house would be right along a likely dog walking route from the Peterson's. Interesting.
678 Date: 2004-02-07 15:08:23
Brian Walt ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
If the DA's Office uses emotional nutcases like Nancy Grace to discredit Vivian Mitchell, it raises serious suspicions.
Who else did they use?
I think it is very serious when a witness who proves that a defendant is innocent, is found dead. It's like the death of reason -to be replaced by the insanity that Nancy Grace promotes.
rforsland
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(2/21/04 10:08 pm) Reply
Guns
you wrote: "First and foremost, the bodies of evidence strongly suggest that Laci Peterson was shot in the head, and the question you need to consider is what happened to all the blood?"
Pardon my asking..but could you provide more info on the evidence that supports a head shot ?? I haven't paid close attention to this case mainly because of the circus like atmosphere that our Noble Press creates, so I am not familiar with the details of this theory...
Do you have a link to an article that discusses this..
Re: Guns
As far as I have heard, it's all speculative -an attempt to answer the question, "why is the head missing?" --in a reasonable manner.
It makes sense though. If Laci was kidnapped, the probability that she was shot is very high, isn't it?
Maybe, those neo-Nazis who falsely claim that Scott murdered Laci, have the answers. At the very least, the people who are trying to frame Scott are either corrupt or they are willingly or inadvertently cooperating with the murderers.
In other words, the murderers plant cement blocks and other things that the police are supposed to find and the police are more than willing to say, "I told you so".
Do a search on nsnews, newsworld showdown or David Sween and you should be able to piece it all together.
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