Where do Hobbits/riverfolk come from?
Hey, I've read all the Tolkien books but I'm not sure where hobbits descended from? Did they descend out of the line of men or did the Valar create them as a seperate folk?
*shrugs* I dunno... nobody really ever mentions where they come from... you might be able to look it up in the index if you're really interested... I'm content that they are a quiet race that nobody really knows much about. (Including them )
Re: Where do Hobbits/riverfolk come from?
All that is known with any certainty is that they lived for a long time on the western and southern parts of the Anduin, they slowly migrated northwards, and then at one point travelled to the shire; I don't know if they came by the pass of Rohan, but it seems most likely.... Gandalf hasn't told me why he thinks they came over the Misty Mountains. We do know that when the hobbits came to the Shire there was still a king at Fornost.
vedui'at the beginning of the Fellowship of the Ring (prologue ~ concerning hobbits..), there looks to be a reference that hobbits are closest to the race of MeN - relatives; hinting that kinship & lineage were closest during Middle Earth's past days..
vedui'the unfortunate aspect of this lies in the fragmented tid-bits of Tolkien's lost writings ~ however, the main books of the lotr give hints, almost as if Tolkien purposely left open avenues to explore & fill in the gaps as we see fit; to immerse us into the pure ecstasy of Middle Earth's richness of lore..
*reflects* now that i think about it, hints are scattered throughout many of his writings; it's just a matter of pulling out the vital pieces, putting them into order & logically deduce the gaps in between to the best of our abilities.. one thing to keep in mind ~ Tolkien wrote lotr for us, Middle Earth is granted freely for those that are drawn to its mystery..
fascinating, as far as how hobbits see death ~ that is open for debate & discussion ~ namaarie..
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I don't think thay are very scared of it... they are probably sensible enough (all that hobbit-sense) to see that no one can live forever, unless they are a Vala, Maia or Elf. Or Eru, for that matter. And Bombadil and Goldberry. and maybe the Ents???
Well, evidently a lot of people live forever, just not the Hobbits. I think they accept that... they even regard Bilbo as "suspicious" because of his longevity.
By the way, welcome to Amon Hen, Aileen Elyora! Have some cookies! It's great here. Lots of very knowledgeable Tolkien fanatics.
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Forgive my ignorance, but could anyone translate that? Omentien must have something to do with "meeting", because Frodo says, "Elen Sila lumenn' omentielvo," which means A star shines over the hour of our meeting. So would it mean "Nice to meet you" ?
*sigh* I'm hopeless at Elvish. Must... learn... Sindarin and Quenya....
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In some of Tolkien's writings he mentioned that hobbits moved steadily westward, claiming the Shire when there was still a king in Arnor. In LOTR it was said that a lot of the words of the language of Rohan and hobbit words were similiar, so it was hinted at that maybe the hobbits had dealings with the Rohirrim during their migrations.
Whence Came Hobbits?
This is just an odd theory of mine.
We know the Dunadan <sp> are essentially the decendants of the few times Men and Elves interbred. As a result, they are longer-lived and have a few other bells and whistles.
Might the Hobbits come from some ancient marriage between Men and Dwarves? It would explain the unusual toughness of the breed, along with their height and the fact they are longer-lived than most men. Mind you, there's *zero* evidence one way or the other (for one thing, we know next-to-nothing about the other six houses of dwarves) but I maintain it makes sense.
Whence Came Hobbits?
Zahir, do you know anything about the story of Earendil the mariner, or the Edain for that matter?
but the original question will forever remain a mystery in my mind, for tolkien never gave exact references, only that they came in the third age after the failing of the line of Arnorian kings. though it is a possiblility they are related to dwarves (however unlikly).
Re: Whence Came Hobbits?
One of the reasons there is so little known about the origins of Hobbits is because Tolkien rarely wrote anything in the prologues that he can't say he got from the Hobbits themselves... did that make sense?
Because the Hobbits don't remember much about their own origins before the time they came to the Shire, Tolkien did not write the facts down. Except Gandalf did once say something like 'About the origins of hobbits at least, I know more than they do themselves.'
The dwarf/Man theory is good, but there are some things (such as the fact that Dwarves have beards and most Hobbits don't) and how Dwarves AND Men are taller than Hobbits that we'd have to think about...
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I'm hopeless at Elvish. Must... learn... Sindarin and Quenya....
It would explain the unusual toughness of the breed, along with their height and the fact they are longer-lived than most men. Mind you, there's *zero* evidence one way or the other (for one thing, we know next-to-nothing about the other six houses of dwarves) but I maintain it makes sense.
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