xyz zxy Registered User
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(1/23/03 2:44 pm) Reply
Çamëria
Çameria is situated on the Northwest part of Greece. The name Çameria comes from the evolution of the word "thiami"="Çami" after the river of thiami in ancient times. Pelasgo-Illirians were the first inhabitants of Çameria with the first Pelasgian ruler Thesproti.
As indicated by tools found in different locations the Neadertal man and the HOMO SAPIENS (wise man) possibly lived in Çameria during the last phase of the Middle Paleolithic and the newer. Paleolithic age (40.000-9.000 b.c.).
Signs of the neolithic man have been found in the Marina cave north of Pavla river, in the cave of Sideri in Filiati(inhabited by Albanians people to this day), in the cave of Pshaka and in other locations in the plain of Paramythia(the heartland of Suli region).
In the early period (2.600-1.900 b.c.)The Illirians( the root of the word Illiria is an Albanian word..ylli or illi=star, after the first king of Illiria, Yllus) settled in Çameria. Some of Illirian tribes were Dodonians, Efyrians, Kasopians , Molosians and others. Çameria becomes one of the native Illirian parts of Balkans. Illirian culture developed through out Balkans with Çameria as part of it. The Illirian culture flowrished in particular on the 12th under the Illirian tribe of Molosians. It is known that Alexader the great's parents had Molossian roots.Another great hero of Çameria(Epirus), was the great Pyrro, his successes in the battlefields took him and his army even to Italy..It is scientificly believed that Pyrro was blood related to the family of Alexander the great.The Illirian(Albanian) roots of Pyrro are undisputed and often it is taken as reference to highlight the Illirian(Albanian) roots of Alexander the great..
During the years of the Byzantine Empire new tribes such as the Goths, Ostro- goths, Saracenes and Norses arrived in Çameria.
In 1449 Çameria fell under Ottoman rule. The population of Çameria battled the Ottoman troops in 1611 and later on 1803 where, the latest battles where famously fought by the Suli region(the center town of suli is Paramithia) in Çameria with the double headed eagle flying on every battle. It's important to state that on 1750 Suli was made up of 60 villages and with a population of 25000 inhabitants. During the period of Ottoman rule , Çameria was constituted on the Vilayet of Janina, one of the four Albanian vilayets in Balkans. One figure that shook the history of Çameria during this period is that of Ali Pasha (1740-1822). Today on the region Suli are ruins of the house of Kapetani, and the place where the famous Kugi was(note fighting against the ottomans under Albanian flag).Albanians of this period that made names as great fighter, scholars and patriots are , Luli Çapari, Marko BoÇari, Hasan Tasini, Osman Taka, Çelo Mezani(there are great stories almost mythical, about these last two great popular heroes) and alot of others.... .
In 23rd of february 1913, Çameria fell under Greek rule. This was the aftermath of the decision of great powers to give Çameria unjustifiably and unfairly to Greece.
AlbElena Registered User
Posts: 8
(1/23/03 11:03 pm) Reply
Re: Çamëria
I'm gonna post a link to a folk song for Osman Taka just for fun.
If ose of these takes you to Eli Fara album named "Me thote zemra", click on song title Osman Taka.
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And the other link below takes you to one album of Aurela Gace. You can click on the third song to hear "Celo Mezani".
Hi AlbElena.....
Yeah i heard those songs and i love eli fara new album its pretty good ! Hey by the way can anyone tell me some info about Osman Taka who was he what did he do ???
Re: cameria
Ne nje tubim qe esht mbajtur per Camerin, me Qershor 29, 2002 ne Boston, At Arthur Liolin ndertjerash pat thene se:
Mire eshte te mblidhemi se bashku per
te nderuar popullin Cam te shume vuajtur dhe te kujtojme historine te nje
periudhe qe sjell indinjate per padrejtesite qe ndodhen atje.
Thone se
Imzot Fan Noli derdhi lot sa here qe fjala "Cameria" hynte ne diskutim.
CAMERIA: Mendimet dhe Mesime
Fjalimi prej At Arthur Liolin
Tubim per Camerine
June 29, 2002
Anthony's Pier 4
Boston
Te dashur Moter dhe Vellezer Came,
Ju falenderoj per ftesen qe me bete per te marre pjese ne kete
tubim perkujtimor dhe informativ. Mire eshte te mblidhemi se bashku per
te nderuar popullin Cam te shume vuajtur dhe te kujtojme historine te nje
periudhe qe sjell indinjate per padrejtesite qe ndodhen atje. Thone se
Imzot Fan Noli derdhi lot sa here qe fjala "Cameria" hynte ne diskutim.
Problemi Cam
Jam i zhgenjyer me AlbElenen me kete metode muziktare te nje qeshtje aqe te rendesishme per popullin Shqiptar.
Por edhe sikur Camet te ishin nje populle krejtesishte tjeter, jo Shqiptar, duhet te na vie shume keqe pse ata u mbajten dhe ende mbahen ne nje erresire te plote.
Rendesia e Cameve merre permasa boterore, jo vetem Ballkanike. Camet posedojne qelesin e prejardhjes se popullit Shqiptar. Ne nderkohe i njejti qeles hap genjeshtrat mijevjeqare te Grekeve.
Une i kuptoj fare mire Greket. Ata duheshin me doemos ti mbanin Camet ne nje erresire te plote, sepse ata e dine fare mire se Camet jane pasaardhesit e Maqedoneve te lashte.
Eshte fati i Cameve dhe popullit Shqiptar qe ne vend te Grekeve nuk ishin Serbet. Sot nuk do ta benim kete diskutim.
AlbCommander, ja nje vjershe tjeter per Taken
Me duket se paska vrare nje pasha apo smth. like that.
Vallja e Osman Takes
Eh,mor Osman Taka
bir Osman me halle
vetetin me kordhe
shkrepetin me valle!
Ngrihesh si shqiponje
bie si fajkua
papo shkel mbi truall
si sorkadh mbi thua
Sikur do te thuash
"Ka barut kjo toke
rende po ta shkelesh
ben shaka me koke"
"Cben ky renjedale,-
Turfullon valiu,-
C'e pandeh litarin?
Loder cilimiu"?
Rreptas ti perdhridhesh
porsi shakull ere
C'i kujton halldupit
pritat e limeret,
Pritat e asqeret
prere e grire strrallit...
Hijen e mehitit
C'i vervite ballit!
Eh mor Osman Taka
Bir Osman me halle
Nje pasha dovleti
vrave me nje valle!
Uuaaaaaaa, Leka i Madh, cfare djali serioz paske qene more. Hajde mo, merrja nje valle devollice tani, opa. Po e di une qe me mua e ke inatin ti, e di...! Ca ke ti, ca ke? Ashtu ka qejf populli, me kenge e me valle!
Re: AlbElena ....
Osman Taka was one relly popular guy just for killing a pasha he is like remebered more than ali pasha himself LOL ! AlbElena po perse mua me the >>>Po e di une qe me mua e ke inatin ti, e di...! <<< ???? Une nuk kam inat me ty po tregoj perse e the ate gje ?
very well
Keep going with this iron. Either you are a fool having dumb fun insulting people or your jst an idiot. Either way soon you will be looking for other places to post your crap.
------------- When Sultan Mehmed II begged to see the blade which he had heard so much about. It was sent to him and tried by the best swordsmen in his army. But none could do the feats it's master could. When the Sultan returned it to Scanderbeg he asked why. Scanderbeg replied "I sent, your highness, the sword. But not the limb that wields it."
Bureda Registered User
Posts: 1
(7/20/05 12:56 pm) Reply
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Easy on the hate you pricks.
Past is past, just dwell on it, why flame each other over issues that do not concern us anymore?
You have albanians who forgot their patrionage because they have moved to some high status country or some crap and want to be all 'gangster', 'cool' and all that unecessary crap.
Before cussing others over thier birth rights you should fix the Albanian cummunities that are located around the world.
Racist, hatred, violence...no bloody need. they should have stayed in Albania and die.
Yup, I am albanian. Well was born there (Saranda) and was raised in London. Been here for well over 11 years. ^^.
Anyways, the reason why i post is because i want to ask if any of you guys have any direct download links to Celo Mezani, i want to add him on my mp3 list. The modernised version of it makes me angry because all the nostalgia has gone away from it....sigh.
Anyways if you guys have any direct mp3 link to it and not streamed music.
Kosovo and Epirus.
On both justice is on the part of the greater victims. In first occasion it is Albanians from some fascist Yugoslav paramilitary groups. In second occasion it is Greeks from some fascist Cam paramilitary group.
It seems in both occasions, justice was restored [we see Kosovar Albanians and Ipirotes free to live their lives].
If Arvanites are the good example, Chams were the bad example.
and i don't want anyone wanting to deprive me of my -ancestral- land especially when they have already done no good in the past. if they want compensation i'll be glad to give them whatever they want after they formally apologise for their ancestor's crimes against democracy. they did a wrong thing like other similar occassions with them around europe at that period. so simple.
my point is directed only to those specific groups who have the immorality to "demand". And i have seen that they do not exceed 50 to 100 people.
What is past belongs to the past, and hopefully on both of these occasions justice was on the side of the oppressed.
i hope both countries leave the "propagandas" of the 20th century aside, and lead in the 21st century with better ideas.
that's how i feel anyway, my impression.
Rastoni and Anemelia are the parents of philosophy.
Re: :/
anyway, now to some more comments, irrelevant with this topic.
Quote:In the early period (2.600-1.900 b.c.)The Illirians( the root of the word Illiria is an Albanian word..ylli or illi=star,
illios means star in ancient Greek, and in modern it has taken the meaning of the planet sun, which is also a star [as i guess we all know...right? ]
the precise would be is a "Illyrian" word but anyway, i don't care about chronological order details.
Quote:After having many children, Cadmus and Harmonia 1 left Thebes in order to defend the Encheleans, a people leaving in southern Illyria, which is the region north of Epirus, [more or less present day Albania] and there defeated the Illyrian intruders. [Illyria consisted as we all know of different tribes]
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Illyrius is the last child of Cadmus and Harmonia 1. He was born in Illyria.
also, among other Hellenic tribes, Dorians came from the lands of Illyria. They had illios in a high position [worship i'd say], something which remained in one of the most famous Dorian branches, Makednoi [Makedones]. The other famous Dorian branch were Spartiates.
i will not hide that Illyrians are more or less related to ancient Hellenes. or ancient Hellenes more or less related with Illyrians.
as for modern times?
well, i don't know, ask arvanites some people might say, they have right to claim Illyrian ancestry as much as todays Albanians. Especially their language [Arberichte\Arberishte dialect] which is related to Tosk and sounds to Albanians as "ancient Albanian".
realistically speaking, i think everyone can live pretty good in his own country, without harrassing the other about childish things.
Rastoni and Anemelia are the parents of philosophy.
Re: very well
With the formation of the Albanian country, Albania included Greek minority in the south, making some Greeks feel outraged that Greece didn't take that territory, and there were Greeks left outside our borders.
In complete contrast, the already established Greek country, included in it's northwest an Albanian minority.
There several scenarios on the issue, regarding the expelling of some Cham population, especially during the Greek civil war, which occurred after the end of World War 2.
i present 4 i'm aware of:
1) Chams were collaborators of the Nazi's in their invasion of Greece, and they yearned to take more property in their hands. Therefore, after the end of the war, they were expelled just like it happened with the German minority of France.
2) In expansion to (1) Chams are related to the "Turk-Albanians" (Loyal to the ottomans albanian muslim groups) that were against the Hellenic revolution.
3) It is known that since 1936, Greek democracy was overthrown by fascist dictator Metaxas. Although Chams assisted the defence, Metaxa's wanting to create a homogenous area like his other fellow-believers, expelled them.
4) Chams were divided during the Hellenic civil war. Those who lost, hurried out of Greece into fellow countries, those who won stayed.
For me, one thing is certain
That not all Chams have left from Greece. There are Chams, who have stayed and build their lives afterwards.
Whether those who create tension nowadays were Nazi collaborators or not, some had a fault, but also others who didn't have were expelled, and it's a disgrace.
but, really, since Albanians have recent bitter memory of wars: don't such things happen in times of war?
In general Greek public opinion is unaware of them, i say for two reasons:
In the civil war, most damage was done from Greek to Greek (even inside ones family could there be killings).
Minorities could have seemed the tip of the iceberg compared to the other civil war battles.
Re: :/
Listen you ! Since you are talking about the Greek civil war nowdays everybody was allowed to come back in Greece .Why not Cham since they were greek citizens too ?
Furthermore not all Cham were involved in war.What about their families,women and children.Now greece is part of European Union ,how they gonna live with other religions in it ?
Quote:Listen you ! Since you are talking about the Greek civil war nowdays everybody was allowed to come back in Greece .Why not Cham since they were greek citizens too ?
i tried to answer this particular question by the post on "Greek genocide" issue. i tried to take into account i want to read your reply to it.
How can you be sure, that among the hundred thousands Albanian immigrants here, some Chams haven't got back to build their new lifes?
Quote:Furthermore not all Cham were involved in war.What about their families,women and children.Now greece is part of European Union ,how they gonna live with other religions in it ?
I agree not all Cham were involved, and i tried to say that thing in my post, to keep it more accurate (talking about innocents, if you read, you'll see i wrote about it).
It deals mostly about ww2, as the greatest population loss in Greece was during that period.
Alidemsi Registered User
Posts: 23
(11/10/07 11:03 am) Reply
Re: very wellIt deals mostly about ww2, as the greatest population loss in Greece was during that period.
Hey ,with to all speakers in this forum,the Martyr as I understand it is talking about the return and the right of ownership of their houses and properties.
Isn`t that Martyr ?
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Hi AlbElena.....
AlbCommander, ja nje vjershe tjeter per Taken
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