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starwind123 
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(5/30/04 2:35 pm)
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astral projection
As requested by our newest.. heres my two cents on astaling im sure others have more....

Starwind

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starwind123 
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(5/30/04 2:38 pm)
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Re: astral projection
The Raven of Thought Flies
The Fiddler plays
On the Moonlights path
The Memory stays

The Astral, Thought and Logic... the truth of the Way

Hugin and Munin , Meaning Thought and Memory,
were the names of the Ravens of Odin
who flew about the world... learning the ways
and actions of man

"I fear for Thought, that he come not back,
But I fear yet more for Memory."
So said Odin

Thought and Memory are the mind of the Witch, as it is
propelled into "astral" experience. Which is how Odin traveled
the world... not as the tales speak of two poor birds
however magical, flying about the entire world
but his own mind making the trip
on the Astral plane.

What is the Astral plane?

"Into the abyss, the plane where the individual mind and Cosmic
Consciousness, ... or between life and death.
The plane that the Witch must cross on their own."

The path between the Nine worlds of the Yggdrasil or the
Cabala, combined with the magic of Seidhr, of Freya's fame,
is the way of Astral travel.

Now there are those who might ask.. why bother to do
this kind of travel at all..? Good question..
Here's my answer to it.

"The famous 16th Century physician and alchemist Paracelsus who taught
the maxim, "As above, so below." Born in Einsiedeln, Switzerland, 1493,
He taught that man is "hologram" of the universe -- the macrocosm
dwells within the microcosm. "

We are in the Universe (macrocosm)
and we are the Universe. (microcosm)

The Astral is as much our home as the Earth on which we stand,
and much is to be learned there that cannot be found anywhere
else. The Asherkic records, the other selves in times past..
time is not as we experience it on this plane.. linear.. its a
mobeus strip that has no beginning and no end but moves
forever. On the Astral plane we can stand as the true self..
the inner self.. the self that has lived many lives..
and has ,no gender, no age, no limits..
But


"The Witch must understand that he lives on Earth, and that is only
through material reality that he can operate.
The pentacle reminds him that philosophy
and abstract principles are useless
without the body (and the will that moves it *)."
"Though she understands and honors tradition,
the Sage creates his own rituals and observances,
tailored to his own needs."
She does not serve established orders

There is no religion higher than truth.

As I have said before.. it is the Will
that matters.... not the words,tools,colors,
or given rite, or even directions......

I mean take me for example:
I am most likely the only Witch you will ever meet who needs a
compass on the end of my Wand. As I cannot tell which is
North, East, West, South... by just looking and have called the
quarters in the wrong place more often than not... and this has
no effect whatsoever, on the rites effectiveness..

The guardians are very forgiving
and I bet they laugh when they hear me Call...
I am honored to provide them with amusement.. :)


"For the Witch, the Self and the World are the same thing. When we try
to separate them we get the errors of Science/Religion. "

We are the world and the world is us... Science is great..but
flawed.. in that we don't know enough to say we "know"
anything.. as any science "Fact" is subject to change at any
given moment that we learn something new. Religion is much the
same.. we cannot "Know" the ways of a given God for certain,
so to build a formatted religion around such knowledge
is vanity at best...

All we can really "know" is ourselves.
Our truth, based on logical thought.
If our basic premise is correct
-However-

"This is the flaw of logic. Premises are the rock upon which logic is based.
They are not themselves subject to logical proof, however,
which means they can be flawed and incorrect. "

Which tells us even our thought is suspect without rigorous soul
searching, self exploration and study, ( which is why your here
right.. :) as our premise upon which we base our logic and
therefore thought, must be correct. Or we delude ourselves.

At Mimir fountain (norse mythology) ,the Well of knowledge,
that sits beside the root of the world-tree, Yggdrasil, the
Guardian of the well demanded and got Odins right eye
to drink from it.

Which he was more than willing to do
To learn this simple information... true knowledge based on a
sound premise has a value beyond price. Only in the self
can we find this truth.

The Charge of the Goddess puts it thus:

And you who seek to know Me,
know that your seeking and yearning
will avail you naught,
unless you know the Mystery:
for if that which you seek,
you find not within yourself,
you will never find it without.

" Man is the measure of all truth "
According to Protagoras a persons reasoning ability
is how one should measure reality.

And how do we "know" our truth is real ? We are adults, of
sound mind ( we hope :) and spirit... do we really need ANY
corroboration to feel if something is right? Do we really need to
be told by some moth eaten scroll,that something is a fact?

Just Because someone in authority or some book tells us
that such and such, is thus and so..
do we believe it..? I think not....

( Ya can tell what kind of radical
I was in the 60s can't ya..Peace \/ )

Our heart can feel, we can think, we can reason and with the
Divine Mothers grace and help can even Prove it to our own
satisfaction... which is what we demand for anything else
we call truth

*
How much less time effort and thought should
we give for what we call the "truth"
of all truths ?
*
Our ability to believe in something beyond the here and now..
to walk the planes and see for ourselves what we once knew..
are our "truth"

All facts are suspect, even mine.. :) I do not ask that you
believe me.. I ask that you go and prove to yourself that the
way is real, that it works, that its right for you... hunt the
world above and below, seek out the inner-most parts of your
own heart and soul and find a truth that works...
for you...
Blessed Be your search...

Blessings on your coming
Blessings on your going
Blessings on all your house

starwind123 
Keeper of the Sacred Arts
Posts: 447
(5/30/04 2:40 pm)
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Re: astral projection
The Temple of Lights

Is an extraordinary place of Healing and Power
It's a place of Serenity and Beauty

But why, you may ask yourself, do I speak of this
as if it were a real place that I have been to ?

Because I have .. it's as real as the monitor
you are looking at to see it...
it's an Astral creation and not entirely of my own design

So what is an Astral creation
that I can see so readily that I can paint it .. ?
As closely as my skills will allow

You have heard the saying " as above so below "..
well that works both ways in the case of places of power

Which means .. any church or temple or snynagog that has ever
known true, repeated power rendered in their rites ..
has an Astral copy of the "spirit" of the place

The same holds true for the circle, and places that are purpose made
like the Temple of Lights

How can this be ?

Aristotle said that the world as we know it, is not reality
For example : a chair

It's a thing upon which we sit, right ?

Not really .. now bear with me a second .. I haven't completely
lost all my marbles .. yet ! :)

We have things, that we use ,we call a chair ..
but there is no chairness .. there is only the idea of a chair ..
in other words .. a thought of a chair

As a chair can be many things .. there's a million styles of chair

But only one reality .. the concept .. it's form

It's form is real .. it can be expressed in this dimension many ways
but only the idea, the thought, has any reality

This world of forms as Aristotle called it .. is the Astral plane
the place were the real thing is .. This Temple of lights,
which I have built in my mind and used over and over ..
has become a real thing .. in this sense of forms

The fact that it has no exact counterpart in this dimension
doesn't matter .. it is none the less .. real

The concept of a central place, where power is gathered ,
that is seen to and protected by guardians of benevolent intent ..
is hardly a new Idea .. the concept is in fact, as old as man

Many other faiths have used the same concept
to explain this place of power and healing
this one just happens to be mine

And I have others .. built and used over and over
for different things .. Like the place I go to be still and quite
and self reflect during meditation
I call it the Grotto .. which some day I will paint ..

It has a life of many many years .. complete with a bottomless pit
One I placed there .. just to have a handy place to drop
outdated thoughts and other useless hindrances ..

Now what makes these places
not just figments of my imagination ?

Because Im not the only one who can see them for one,
in group meditations .. others report seeing such as well
without my having to tell them that such .. even exist

This has happened over and over and over ..
Not that I needed convincing :)

Is this just them picking up my thoughts ?
While in some cases, perhaps so ..

But I have seen those who have about as much Vesper power
as your average housefly .. who still report seeing them

Likewise in Circle .. coven mates can tell me
down to details of what is up there

This should not surprise you overmuch :)

The idea is not new .. mankind has recorded such events
for as far back as we are able to find any records for

Ok say you accept its real .. why build it at all ?

Simple enough .. if one is intent on say, sending healing power
or doing healing work and sending it via remote..Ie on the Astral
you could just fling it out there and hope it gets there..

Or you can build a place to stand on the Astral from which
to direct the flow .. and you could build a new space
every time you need to do so .. This however, would waste a lot of
time and energy needlessly .. energy that would be much better spent
.. being sent to who needs it .. So you build a place that is personal
.. that has your stamp, all over it that welcomes you ..
like a familiar room from which to work

This is not even getting into the esoteric or religious reasons
,of which there are many, this is just talking about
the sheer practical uses that such a space could be put to

So how does one build such a space ?

Details and power of the personal Will

The Details for this means to make it a space that you are
comfortable in .. Like making a room feel homey ..
it should be you all over the place :)

Then fill this place with the Power of the Will and the Way
repeatedly .. it becomes clearer over time .. to where just a thought
and boom you are there with all the colors, sights, smells and sounds

From here you can work .. from here you can pray
from here you can just Be for a while it that's your need

This is not escapism .. nor is it fantasy .. this is a working state
dealing with real , malleable thought forms .. of which we are all
capable of creating .. and yes unfortunately this applies to less
positive power as well .. as the Astral does not judge .. it merely is

So mind what you build .. for thoughts have power .. and unless you
want some slime covered hairy thing with teeth looming out at you
one day when you walk the moon paths .. Keep the thoughts
positive and of benefit .. which is a good thing to do anytime :)

Blessings Be to one and all
And May your Temple be a wonder to behold :)

Blessings on your coming
Blessings on your going
Blessings on all your house

starwind123 
Keeper of the Sacred Arts
Posts: 448
(5/30/04 2:41 pm)
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Re: astral projection
Dream Time
Portents and Astral Clues
Making Dream time work for you :)


In Australia the Aborigines call their vision quests.. Dream time
What is a Dream ? Most would say ... its a figment of the imagination made up
by the mind ... but is it ?

And why should a Modern Witch
Or other practicing Pagan Care ?

While we sleep is the one time we are open to the call of the Mother
without hindrance or effort .. as we are not in our own way :)

Astral travel during sleep is a matter of course... we do it without thought or needful
action... we have to train ourselves in Astral travel
Only because we have to learn how to do ... intentionally ...
what the mind does naturally every night of our lives

During such dreaming time we are able to gather information
About ourselves , things the Mother wills, direct information from other travelers ..
all kinds of information is possible

Ok.. how to tell which is real information ?
When is a dream more than just a fantasy ?
Why do we dream in allegory instead of real time images ?
What are our dreams trying to tell us, if anything,
other than we had way too much junk food just before bed :)

There are many people who interpret dreams..
such interpretation is often needed...
as the mind does not always give us a clear concept

Ok.. why does it do that.. ?

When we experience an event in our waking lives ..
there are points of reference ... there is a layout to where the event took place

So if we dream of, say ... walking in the park .. we see a park..
we see trees, we see all the things one would expect to find there ...
and any actions we take .. are actions we have taken before ..
so the mind can present a clear ..concise image ...

Now .. say we have been in the Astral and things happened there ?
Now what image does the mind use to represent this ? It has no referent to use ..
there is no analogy to your waking life to call on

So the mind "clothes " the concepts in the closest thing it can find

For Example:

A common dream of mine.. I see Myself .. climbing a mountain,
There's a white Wolf with me, I have long white hair,
and silver eyes , ( which would be very cool.. but ) and there are misty clouds and
strange looking trees .. sometimes the climb is easy .. other times there are large rocks
to be moved and fallen trees to climb over .. and so on and so on .....

Now this image and all the actions taking place in it , means

Times of growth and change on the path .. its the sign of working on adeptship
and learning new things .. hence the mountain to climb the... wolf is my guide ...
the silver eyes are for seeing beyond the mundane ... the dream is the minds attempt
to clothe the allegory of doing self improvement work on an astral level

Its At a higher level than the normal world .. so the mind has to come up with images
that it can relate to ... and that's the whole thing

This "dream" always happens now when I am working on self improvement
and I have reinforced the imagery ..... but it took a long time to figure out
what it was and make the connection between recent events
and attempts at self improvement

Also ... how "hard" the climb is and how many rocks are in the way ..
give me pretty good indication of how well I am progressing on the chosen path ...
and how much more work there is to be done

Now .. I am sure your thinking .. ok that's all well and good but
what has that to do with me.. ?
Two words

Guided Dreaming

Once you accept the concept that dreams are just the clothes for information we
have gathered and that such dream time is often astral travel .. then the concept of
doing it deliberately comes into play ... just like we do when in a meditative state
and go astraling

This form is much easier ... because As I said.. its what we do while asleep anyway ...
so... how to make the dream time go in the direction we want it to go ... ?

Directions:

Like any trip we need directions on how to get there
There are a variety of ways to do this.. I use the Cabala myself
most of the time. I set in my mind before meditative sleep which "world" I wish to attend
... and in my sleep go there and learn what is to be learned.. as each "world" of the
Cabala has different things to teach .. this way is very effective ... others include

Making an Astral house and inviting others in to share knowledge... what we build on
this plane is reflected above .. as above so below ... most of the time , if we use the
same space for ritual .. we have built an Astral copy of it just by sheer repetition
... and can " visit " that copy while on the Astral at will...

For guided dream time .. we may need a more neutral space
a house.. a meadow.. or like me.. a mountain .. to represent why we are there and
what we seek .. no matter what referent we give the mind ..the information gathered
will be presented in as close a proximity to the image you give the concept ....
the more information we give the mind ... the clearer the image

Ya can't take take color pictures
with black and white film .... the Mind needs details...... :)

One of my first such places ... I called the Grotto .. Deep warm space with rock walls
and lots of plants and water .. a very comfy chair .. some trippy doors to come in by ...
and a very deep hole off to one side.. that hole was my bottomless pit .. that I would
toss things into .. that I no longer needed ... fears .. angers ... anything outdated and or
incorrect in the mind ... Hook shot ... in it went !

I still visit that little nook from time to time .. just to dust and add a thing or three
to the group , already off to oblivion :)

Like the image of the Asherkic records... most people see a library with stacks upon
stacks of books...... or a hall of mirrors .. where the past selves are displayed..
these are common images simply because they work for many people

Now how does one Know if such information,
once we get it, is real ?

Clues:

How to tell fact from fiction ? By What relates.
Much the same as when you are given information from within ...
during meditation .. you have to decide if the information gained
is valid ... despite how the information is clothed....

Figure out the imagery .. ( there are a billion books on the subject.. )
and interpret it literally ... weigh that information against
What have you been doing..? What did you go out to seek ?
Does the information gained pass the tests of Reason and Logic ?

Make a list , write it all down.. feelings .. interpretation of its parts .. etc. and kick it
around .. open yourself to concepts that are already in the brain...... Meditate on it ...
if it can pass all of those..... it is likely real and you should act on the information
or otherwise pay heed

Sounds like a lot of hassle right ?
It gets easier over time and with practice ... :)

Much like you would do for information the Mother hands you
in the day to day world on what to do .. see " How to Know " ..
as this is the same concept, the only difference is..
This information, you went looking for !

Don't worry about missing something this way ... if its important ..
trust me Mother will Make Sure .. you get the point ..
with an Astral Lighting bolt if need be :)



While a Great many dreams can be no more than twiddling your mental thumbs..
with practice .. from time to time you can do real work ..
and gain so much more than a few hours rest :)

May your rest be Sweet and your Travels prosperous :)

Blessings on your coming
Blessings on your going
Blessings on all your house



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