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Ladifaire 
Goddess of the green
Posts: 185
(10/26/04 9:35 am)
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astral travel
Not sure where to post this but I need to know more about astral travel.
thanks and many blessings

starwind123 
Goddess of the arts
Posts: 643
(10/29/04 7:47 am)
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Re: astral travel
Hello

you didnt say what side of that you wanted so heres one aspect off the web site....

The Raven of Thought Flies
The Fiddler plays
On the Moonlights path
The Memory stays

The Astral, Thought and Logic... the truth of the Way

Hugin and Munin , Meaning Thought and Memory,
were the names of the Ravens of Odin
who flew about the world, learning the ways
and actions of man

"I fear for Thought, that he come not back,
But I fear yet more for Memory."
So said Odin

Thought and Memory are the mind of the Witch, as it is
propelled into "astral" experience. Which is how Odin traveled
the world, not as the tales speak of two poor birds
however magical, flying about the entire world
but his own mind making the trip
on the Astral plane.

What is the Astral plane?

"Into the abyss, the plane where the individual mind and Cosmic
Consciousness, or between life and death.
The plane that the Witch must cross on their own."

The path between the Nine worlds of the Yggdrasil or the
Cabala, combined with the magic of Seidhr, of Freya's fame,
is the way of Astral travel.

Now there are those who might ask, why bother to do
this kind of travel at all..? Good question :)
Here's my answer to it.

"The famous 16th Century physician and alchemist Paracelsus who taught the maxim, "As above, so below." Born in Einsiedeln, Switzerland, 1493,
He taught that man is "hologram" of the universe , the macrocosm dwells within the microcosm. "

We are in the Universe (macrocosm)
and we are the Universe. (microcosm)

The Astral is as much our home as the Earth on which we stand, and much is to be learned there that cannot be found anywhere else. The Asherkic records, the other selves in times past.. time is not as we experience it on this plane,linear, its a mobeus strip that has no beginning and no end but moves forever.On the Astral plane we can stand as the true self,the inner self,the self that has lived many lives,
and has ,no gender, no age, no limits.
But


"The Witch must understand that he lives on Earth, and that is only through material reality that he can operate.
The pentacle reminds him that philosophy
and abstract principles are useless
without the body (and the will that moves it *)."
"Though she understands and honors tradition,
the Sage creates his own rituals and observances,
tailored to his own needs."
She does not serve established orders

There is no religion higher than truth.

As I have said before,it is the Will
that matters, not the words,tools,colors,
or given rite, or even directions.

I mean take me for example:
I am most likely the only Witch you will ever meet who needs a compass on the end of my Wand. As I cannot tell which is
North, East, West, Southm by just looking and have called the quarters in the wrong place more often than not, and this has no effect whatsoever, on the rites effectiveness.

The guardians are very forgiving
and I bet they laugh when they hear me Call...
I am honored to provide them with amusement.. :)


"For the Witch, the Self and the World are the same thing. When we try to separate them we get the errors of Science/Religion. "

We are the world and the world is us. Science is great,but
flawed,in that we don't know enough to say we "know" anything, as any science "Fact" is subject to change at any given moment that we learn something new. Religion is much the same, we cannot "Know" the ways of a given God for certain,so to build a formatted religion around such knowledge
is vanity at best.

All we can really "know" is ourselves.
Our truth, based on logical thought.
If our basic premise is correct
-However-

"This is the flaw of logic. Premises are the rock upon which logic is based. They are not themselves subject to logical proof, however,which means they can be flawed and incorrect. "

Which tells us even our thought is suspect without rigorous soul searching, self exploration and study, ( which is why your here right.. :) as our premise upon which we base our logic and therefore thought, must be correct. Or we delude ourselves.

At Mimir fountain (norse mythology) ,the Well of knowledge,
that sits beside the root of the world-tree, Yggdrasil, the
Guardian of the well demanded and got Odins right eye
to drink from it.

Which he was more than willing to do
To learn this simple information, true knowledge based on a
sound premise has a value beyond price. Only in the self
can we find this truth.

The Charge of the Goddess puts it thus:

And you who seek to know Me,
know that your seeking and yearning
will avail you naught,
unless you know the Mystery:
for if that which you seek,
you find not within yourself,
you will never find it without.

" Man is the measure of all truth "
According to Protagoras a persons reasoning ability
is how one should measure reality.

And how do we "know" our truth is real ? We are adults, of
sound mind ( we hope :) and spirit, do we really need ANY
corroboration to feel if something is right? Do we really need to be told by some moth eaten scroll,that something is a fact?

Just Because someone in authority or some book tells us
that such and such, is thus and so,
do we believe it..? I think not

( Ya can tell what kind of radical
I was in the 60s can't ya..Peace \/ )

Our heart can feel, we can think, we can reason and with the
Divine Mothers grace and help can even Prove it to our own
satisfaction, which is what we demand for anything else
we call truth

*
How much less time effort and thought should
we give for what we call the "truth"
of all truths ?
*
Our ability to believe in something beyond the here and now,
to walk the planes and see for ourselves what we once knew,
are our "truth"

All facts are suspect, even mine.. :) I do not ask that you
believe me. I ask that you go and prove to yourself that the way is real, that it works, that its right for you, hunt the world above and below, seek out the inner-most parts of your own heart and soul and find a truth that works,
for you
Blessed Be your search.

Blessings on your coming
Blessings on your going
Blessings on all your house

Sugar Mtn Honeybee
Waiting for a name!!
Posts: 76
(11/13/04 2:41 pm)
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Re: astral travel
Here's a few links with some basic information about astral travel, what it is, different methods of achieving it, etc.

www.paralumun.com/astral.htm

www.astralweb.org/

www.crystalinks.com/astral.html

Some people take years to learn to do this. To me, it came as a means of escape when I was a child. I didn't learn until I was an adult what it was even called. Hope the above links help.

Honeybee
Sugar Mountain / The Dance



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