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HAIMOS: Original name for Balkan Peninsula
As it does appear to be correct, the origin of 'Balkans' seems to be Turkish.
Balkan Peninsula in the ancient times was called Haimos (pronounced Hemos) and this name would be the most apropriate name for this peninsula while the name for its populations would be Haimian (pronounced Hemian).
Some sources that can guide us that Haimos was the original name (which sounds vastly more european by the way and it is of Hellenic origin).
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Supremacy in the Haimos Peninsula
Upon signature of the Peace of Philokrates, which officially ended the 3rd Sacred War, Philip II turned his attention to the northern and eastern borders of his kingdom. Having made of Thrace a Macedonian province, he undertook a campaign against the Scythians in the region of the Istros (Danube). His military victories and the alliances he forged enabled him to subjugate the native peoples.
Plaque depicting a Greek and a Barbarian
Olynthos, first half of 4th century BC
In 339 BC Philip was embroiled in the 4th Sacred War, while the Athenians, on the initiative of Demosthenes, endeavoured to put together an alliance against the Macedonians. The final engagement at Chaironeia in 338 BC resulted in a resounding victory of Philip's forces over the allied armies of the cities of southern Greece.
It is quite a recent term, popularized in the early 19th century by the German geographer August Zeune. He spoke of a Balkan Peninsula analogous to, say, the Iberian Peninsula. In Bulgarian balkan means simply ‘mountain’, and in Turkish ‘steep forested mountain’. It came, however, to denote the chain of mountains which in ancient times was known as Haimos.
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Re: HAIMOS: Original name for Balkan Peninsula
more sources
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The Balkan peninsula is a region dominated by mountain systems, and although not particularly high,these cover some 66% of the surface area. The main formations are those of the Dinaric Alps, whichpush down from the western Balkan region in a south-easterly direction and which, in the Pindos range,dominate western and central Greece. Extensions and spurs of these mountains dominate southernGreece and the Peloponnese. The Balkan range itself (Turk. balqan, 'densely wooded mountain'; Gk.Haimos) lies north of Greece, extending eastwards from the Morava for about 550km as far as the BlackSea coast, but the Rhodope range forms an arc running down from this range through Macedonia towardsthe plain of Thrace.
Information panels, drawings, plans, and maps of the Neolithic sites in Greece, the Haimos Peninsula, Asia Minor, and Cyprus help the reader form the fullest possible picture of the extent and importance of the Neolithic world.
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Re: HAIMOS: Original name for Balkan Peninsula kavajs
Topic: To the Administrator
When i read the new sign in the forum WELCOME TO HAIMOS i really started laughing my @$$ off because i read about this in SF Serbia a couple of weeks ago and people there just hated the idea to call our area The Balkans.
I think this is a very good idea on your part to change the name but why not change it to Southeastern Europe?
Not that it would matter much but Haimos sounds too strange of a name, no one has ever heard of it.
Or maybe we could name it The Old Bizantium or something like that.
If anyone else has other names to offer or any comments on this topic please feel free to disccus it here.
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rex362: Re: To the Administrator
maybe the "Karpathian penninsula"....Hey-Hey...just a thought.....
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AAdmin: Re: To the Administrator
Sorry Boys only Haimos (pronounced Hemos) or Haimian (pr.Hemian) Peninsula is the accurate word substitute for 'Balkans' and the oldest name for this peninsula and Haimos sounds far better and euro-like than Balkans while Soutneast Europe diminishes the historical value of Haimos since it reduces it to marely being a region within Europe (Haimos or rather Greeks actually named Europe, Asia and Africa). Carpathian only covers NE Haimos while some Serbs in SF liked more Dinaria which covers only W Haimos and it can be used as a racial substitute for Illyria. Only Haimos covers all and it is the most appropriate name and the oldest for Haimos.
Re: HAIMOS: Original name for Balkan Peninsula
Dear AAdmin
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As it does appear to be correct, the origin of 'Balkans' seems to be Turkish.
Why the origin of the name Balkans is appear to be Turkish word ,is it because seems so ?
And is it seems so because We would like to see it on that way?
On what grounds you could based your words ?
And about the meaning of that word
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What is the meaning of the term ‘the Balkans’?
It is quite a recent term, popularized in the early 19th century by the German geographer August Zeune. He spoke of a Balkan Peninsula analogous to, say, the Iberian Peninsula. In Bulgarian balkan means simply ‘mountain’, and in Turkish ‘steep forested mountain’. It came, however, to denote the chain of mountains which in ancient times was known as Haimos.
Out of this explanation I could understood on this way:
Turks had give the meaning of "steep forest mountain" for the word Balkan to the Bulgarians ,what from their side had made it much more simply putin foreword just "mountain"
Now I am asking this
-Why the Bulgarians, who are as the sources are informing us
bit older arrivels at the pointed peninsula than Turks,were waithing all that time during the centiuries for a Turkish to move at the same place and give the name for it ?
What is wrong here ?
does not saying anything about it ,like nnowhere else at ur post .
What is in the meaning of the words:
- Europe ?
-Africa ?
-Asia ?
-Ilyria ?
What does the sources are saying about it ,on what for the Greeks were thinking about when they as you are saying were gave those names to the World ?
The Greek alphabet came from the Phonecians around the year 900 B.C. When the Phonecians invented the alphabet there were 600 symbols. Those symbols took up too much room on the papyrus, so they narrowed it down to 22 symbols. The Greeks borrowed some of the symbols and then they made up some of their own.
But the Phonecians, like other cultures, used their symbols to represent consonants and vowel sounds together.
The Greeks were the first people to have separate symbols (or letters) to represent vowel sounds.
The Greeks had appeared at the World scene just a few decades ago
The Hellens maybe is what the author of this text wish to writte.
So,Hellens were the first people to have separate symbols(or letters)to represent vowel sounds .
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If this could be the case -case of separation of the symbols
or "breaking of the sounds,than I will be so confidente to break out one letter from the word Heimos or Hemos,and all my grounds I will based on that split.
focus at the letter H
spliting at the way H-X-K'S
and change it in the name
HAIMOS
H AI M OS
K'S AI M OS
where the OS is suffix
K'S AI M '
*S->*Z
K'Z AI M '
(K)Z AI M '
Z AE M '
And this split could give as good link straight into the anciet Sunshine Mythology (knowen as Olimpian ) where we could find out and read one of the names of the Earth Mother
According the legend Europe was a princese ,what Zeus put in the slavery. Her name in my language is EVROPA...E V ROP-A
or (she) is in slavery
E- IS
V-IN
ROP-ROB (P-B)-Slave
A - cases rest
E V ROP A- the Phonecian Princese - slave to the Goddess Zeus..
Åuñïðe-such a Greek word
Edited by: Homer od Makedonija at: 2/14/04 11:01 pm
Balkan as the word ,and my alternative
*B->*M
Malkan
Maikan
Majka-n
So Hemos is Earth because Balkan could have the meaning of Mother ..
I will focus at the letter N as an and of the words
If suppose we are analissing the word mama than the letter N
add as and of that word will give an form of belong to ..
Mama +N~Mamai+N~Mamain~Mamin
Nowhere on earth did a Goddess ever reign as she did in Malta. Architect Richard England explains the Maltese temples themselves as the personification of the Earth Mother, with floor plans which echo abundant maternal curves. One can easily imagine the concept of entering the "womb" of the temple for communion with the Goddess, and emerging "re-born" into the sunlight. Amazingly, visitors can still walk in several of these prehistoric temples. They are UNESCO World Heritage sites and the oldest free-standing buildings on the planet. But what about the advanced civilization which they represent? Two terms seem to go hand-in-hand when the temples of Malta are discussed. Fertility Cult is often used to describe pre-patriarchal societies of the Neolithic period, which in most of the world some 4,500 years ago worshipped a Goddess. The concept is universal and shows up at one time or another in virtually every culture on the planet. Mention the words Fertility Cult and you really capture "civilized" people’s attention: wild abandon and sexual frenzy, sweaty bodies and wicked native drums. Put all that in the context of a torch-lit megalithic temple and the active imagine could run hog wild. Not much survived of the early matrifocal people of Europe once they were overrun and assimilated by aggressive tribes identified by archaeologist Marija Gimbutas in "The Language of the Goddess" (1989, San Francisco: Harper and Row.) With mobility of mounted horses and the authority of metal weapons the invaders made relatively quick work of establishing a new order in the old world. A successful takeover would have demanded the smashing and widescale eradication of any existing goddess spirituality. With a few exceptions myths and legends were all that remained to carry memory of the ancient times, and over subsequent millennia recorded history managed to distort or destroy most of that as well. The one clear remnant that comes down to us today is the use of such terms as Mother Nature and Mother Earth.
As hunter-gatherer humankind came out of the caves of Europe and western Asia, people soon learned something about agriculture, animal husbandry and the production of a continuous food supply. They already knew that females, both in the fields and at home, carried young within their bodies and gave birth. There was no great mystery about it. That was just how things happened. It’s extremely difficult to believe that they didn’t also understand a need for the male of the species in reproduction, although some anthropologists argue this point. At least in the Maltese Temple Period material, there is more than a little suggestion of duality and a healthy respect for gender differences. Gimbutas referred to sculpture and carvings of plumply rounded devotional figures as clearly representing, above all else, the concept of regeneration. When early people witnessed the earth bringing forth fruits and grains, they identified it with the same feminine characteristics of creation and nurturing. It was, after all, the mother who fed the young, and the earth that fed the people. In this way, the concept of a feminine deity of fertility and abundance would have been entirely natural. When we talk about Neolithic Malta, we are considering a time period long before Buddha and Mohammed, before Jesus and Moses and even Abraham. Sometimes it’s difficult to put aside those later influences and remain totally objective about the existence of a civilization which is neither recorded in the Bible nor described in the hieroglyphics of an Egyptian tomb. How is it that the Maltese Fertility Cults have been such a secret? It’s likely that the early people who had written language never knew about them.
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Q:How is it that the Maltese Fertility Cults have been such a secret? It’s likely that the early people who had written language never knew about them.
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A; Simple very simple Hellens were destroyers.Since they're arrived ...cult of Patricharcath been established
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As if by destiny, the megalithic temples of Malta were overlooked or ignored for many thousands of years. Abandoned for some reason at around 2500 BC, they sat in isolated silence for centuries. The roofs fell in. Weeds grew between the stones. Through a long and complicated history of foreign occupation and resettlement of the Maltese archipelago, the debris of ages continued to collect in the temples. Although there is evidence of trade and communication with other regions, the "temple culture" of Malta developed their unique artistic expression and iconography along lines which are totally unlike anything seen elsewhere from the same time period. For more than a thousand years they successfully existed in peace and harmony with themselves and their environment. No evidence of weapons, warfare or defensive architecture exists in the ruins.The debate continues over the "fertility" and "Goddess" idols which have been discovered inside the temples and in the prehistoric underground burial chambers. Some of the excavated figures are clearly feminine images, skillfully represented down to the pleats in their cloth garments, the carefully braided hair hanging down their backs and the woven cane of their furniture. The carved heads in another group of stylized ritual objects strongly suggest male features with long noses and wide jaws. The bodies of these are straight and angular, clearly clothed. Other representational pieces are phallic in nature and leave no room for doubt.
But most of the "cult statuettes" are a mystery; posed both standing and comfortably seated in various positions. Although headless, many are equipped with a socket between the shoulders and tiny holes for manipulating a cord. Several were found with separate heads nearby. They may have been designed to fulfill the function of some sort of oracle. The important locations in which they were found unmistakably point to ritual use. It has been argued that these graceful statuettes with their corpulent nude bodies can't possibly be female because they don't have well-defined breasts. Neither does any of them have a penis to make it unarguably male. There can be no denying that they are curved in the way that a woman usually curves when she lets nature take over. One modem Maltese gentleman proposes that the fat arms, thighs and calves on these figures are styled to signify strength. Mr. Joseph S. Ellul, whose father was for many years caretaker at the Hagar-Qim site, theorizes that this is the power which would have been required to move the massive stone slabs which make up the temples. ("Malta's Prediluvian Culture", 1988, Malta: Printwell Ltd.) The sculptures may simply be androgynous figures of abundance. Perhaps, in a society where gender was not the issue that we make it today, they were designed to serve equally with the modeled head of either priest or priestess, depending on who was officiating at the time. We may never know for sure. One thing is certain: whether or not they ever accommodated wild orgies, the megalithic limestone temples of Malta were and continue to be places of immense importance in human history. They are remarkable evidence of a people who have been described by cultural anthropologists as among the purest and most impressive cultures that ever existed. Personally, I have to wonder what our world might be like if the knowledge were widespread that once upon a time, God looked just like my mother!
murugan.org/research/gopalapillai.htm
We are going straight to India ,where He had been for two times :
-as a Goddess of vegetable
-as a Goddess of the wine
Dion-is-ys
From the site ;
Quote:
"-The origins of the cult of Dionysus can be traced to prehistoric times. Dionysus was originally a nature god of fruitfulness and reproduction of all trees and vegetation."
Dion-is-ys is a sun by the Sunshine (olimpic)Mythology
of the main goddess of Zeus and Semele
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Quote:Dionysus us also described as the son of Semele, the Earth Mother.[54] “He is not only son of Semele, of Earth, but son of Semele as Keraunia, Earth the thunder-smitten”.[55] It was appropriate in her case as bride of Zeus, the god of thunder. Euripides has rendered the conception into immortal verse in his Hyoppolytus."
Hindy
*D->*H
*D->Dz->Ks->X->H
Hindia
Dindia
Din/dia
Dion/Dia
Dion/Gia
Dion/Gea
Hindy
The native population for their's country today will tell you that the original name is
Bharat
Bha/rat
*B->*M
Mha/Rat
M'a/'Rat
Ma/aRat
Mha/aurat
Mha
Ma/Women
Bog/
or
God/Women
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Dion/Gea
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Dion/ *Gea->Geneka-
Dion /(*G->*D)
Dion/*Deneka->Dzeneka-
Dion/*dZene-ka->Zene-ka->Zena(women )
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God/Women
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Dion-is-us as a sun of Zeus and Semele
Zeus-
Z->S
e->i
u->v
s->a
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Zeus
Siva
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Siva as underworld main Goddess in Hindyism
Semele-one of the name of the Mother Earth Goddess
S E M E L E
*S->K'S->X->H
E->I
M-M
E->AE
L->LL
E->AE->AI
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S E M E L E-
H I M AE L AE
H I M A LLA I
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If HAIMOS is seem to be Greek name
If Makedonia seem to be Greek name -establish for around 4.ooo years
than one question only
How many millenniums the name of India is appear to be Greek name ?
I agree with AAdmin on this case. HEMOS PENINSULA
(Aimos).
"-Why the Bulgarians, who are as the sources are informing us
bit older arrivels at the pointed peninsula than Turks,were waithing all that time during the centiuries for a Turkish to move at the same place and give the name for it ?"
Ah,why you care about that,this word is a Mongol word and both Turks and original proto-Bulgarians came from the same source=the steppes.
"The Greek alphabet came from the Phonecians around the year 900 B.C."
Dream on Scopjan.The Greek alphabet came from the Greeks
and the Phoenicians were a very new people(1000bc and something) while Greeks count milleniums and they are still HERE.
been waiting that someone WILL wrote what I been waithing 4
Quote:Ah,why you care about that,this word is a Mongol word and both Turks and original proto-Bulgarians came from the same source=the steppes..
Mongols what do not have not even single place named with the word Balkan at their homeland ,been passing all the way during the cen. from the far East to the West to gave the name Balkan ,only for the Balkan Peninsula.
They came and change the Toponims name from The Greek to their mongolian language and that change been accepted from the rest of the World ?
Quote:"The Greek alphabet came from the Phonecians around the year 900 B.C."
Quote:"The Greek alphabet came from the Greeks.
First you are saying that The Greek alphavet came from the Phoenitians
and secondly you are saying that the Greek alphabet came from the Greeks .
Now you have to decide what you will take as your position
Is it first
or
is it second case
Do not make an easy "lite bite" from your self like somebody else at this forum .
Quote:while Greeks count milleniums
Greek are count few centuries only
Do you want to say that Hellens maybe could be counted few milleniums until the Romans arriving
or what
If we find an Mongolian dictionary on line ,I bet what would be wroten under the name of Balkan as an explanation
Shell we search ?
Before you share your oppinion with His Majesty
And one more thing
I am not Scopjanos , My city have different name .
Ah
Where the Greeks are ?
Why Homer Makedonfski can see no Greek above his reply ?
maybe because Homer is blind and can see nothing ?
Homer blind ,blind as a bat :-)
Ah and those Greeks representatives .the loony schoolar ones ,
Ah and those Greeks what not a Greeks are but ,maybe just Greeks would like to be
Ah where the agruments from their side are ?
Ah uh oh
a hundred of the tunders
karamba and karambita
so .. the Ontario wolves
and black Darkwood wood drums..
Morgan1370 Registered User
Posts: 4
(3/12/04 3:54 am)
Greeks
The term "Greek" comes from the Latin "Graecia". Later the Germans "Grece" finally "Greece" in English.
The earliest Greeks were not called Greeks nor were they called Hellenes. They were originally called by their tribal names I.E Dorians, Illyrians, etc.
As for the term "Hellenes", this was started after the death of Alexander III (The Great)later named by the Romans. The greek speaking people have as far back as archaeological evidence can date, always been in the region. It was always believed that the Myceneans were not Greek, because the ancient writers always referred to first Greek speaking people as Dorians etc. But when Michael Ventris deciphered Linear B It was proven that the Myceneans and possibly even further back in time were in fact "Greek" speakers.
AAdmin Forum Emperor!
Posts: 608
(3/12/04 5:15 am)
Re: Greeks
Greetings Morgan
Welcome to the Illyria Forums where your contribution is most welcome and please feel free to cruise through illyria section where I am sure you will find many interesting topics where I would love to read your comments such as the one you posted on another topic and this is a quote bellow.
Quote:By Morgan1370:
First off, the original inhabitants of the land which is modern Albania, were the Dorians and the Illyrians, which were a greek-speaking people.
Second, I would not use the term "stolen". This would imply that the Nation of Albania existed in 1904, it did not.
Third, the city of Butrint was built by Greeks, that is why all the inscriptions on the temples, statues, etc. are written in Greek. Why would someone of another ethnic group write everything using the greek alphabet and language? Why wouldn't they have just borrowed the greek alphabet, if they didn't have their own, and write the inscriptions in that language using greek letter????
Fourth, Arbonois, the term colonising does not mean "settling a place already inhabited." It only means going to another land and creating a settlement which could help the mother city with trade and food supplies. It also helped with overpopulation. It is true that in some places there were original inhabitants, but not in all places. You are confusing the term "colonize" with the term "conquer", there is a big difference.
Fifth, Shpata, I have been to the British Museum in London. Believe me when I tell you this, the British Museum does not due justice to the Parthenon Marbles. In fact the Museum even damaged several pieces when they decided to clean them in the 1930's. They thought the color on them was dirt, but it turned out it was actually the original paint.
Finally, I do not believe in having the greeks pay the Albanian government for the statues which were taken from Butrint, before Albania ever existed. And no, I don't believe the British Government should pay the Greek government for the Parthenon marbles, instead they should return them, because the marbles were taken off the Parthenon without the permission of the Ottoman authorities. The Ottomans only gave him permission to make molds of the marbles, and to only take what he wanted of the artifacts which lay on the ground.
In a recent poll taken in England over 70% of the people polled, believe that the Parthenon Marbles should be returned to Athens.
I would like to see a loan program started between Greece and Albania for the Butrint statues, which would allow for the statues to be viewed in their original provenance(actual location when found).
For those interested I have a degree in Anthropology. I also have a degree in History and Archaeology.
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Homer, on what sources do you call the Bulgarians Mongols? Please, give us some sources that are actually reliable!
Where you read that Homer Makedonski has called Bulgarians as Mongols ?
It is not nice if you want to put something what is not
as my word's .Thus should say that I am blamed with no reason .
Maybe is because of my wick English what could give you wrong concluse.
Point me the post ,where you read that ,pls
even I am couriose to find out ,cause I do not think that
Bulgarians are Mongols.My opinion is different one ,about your origin .
HAIMOS: Original name for Balkan Peninsula
off because i read about this in SF Serbia a couple of weeks ago and people there just hated the idea to call our area The Balkans.
I agree with AAdmin on this case.
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