AlbQ senior moderator
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(8/26/07 8:09 am) Reply
Are You Afraid of People Who Believe in God? (IPT)
I am and I don't know if God exists or not, and it's not the purpose of this thread to answer this question, but haven't you noticed that most of the cruel crimes in the human history are made under the name of God?
I've noticed in real life that literally you can't even deal with people that really believe in God, for the simple reason that they tell you that God is telling them whatever they say and that means the end of the conversation...I think people that really believe in God are not open even to conversations, whatever might be the case...so what are your thought about it? Is God (if it really exists) out there to help us to live our lives peacefully, or to make them more miserable?
well u can't talk to religious extremists, and atheist extremists either...I am just scared from the religious ones because they actually do stuff to prove their point...by any means!
Re: Are You Afraid of People Who Believe in God?
I do belive in god, I dont like to discuss his existens because it just really makes my mind to think that he doesnt exist, if I go by logic..
My heart tells me that he does exist and thats all I need.
I dont have a religion. Religion should be banned. It just causes religious extemists. Look at the Russians/Serbs and Greeks. No churches or Mosques should exist. Some kind of temple or something should. Where you can go and talk to god. But there wont be a book there or anything like that. No pictues on the windows of an 'abdullah' or 'judah'.
Pictures of god and pictures of pelasgian gods should be there.
Each religion have rules one must go after, a stupid idea. Whole world should go after morale and ethics..
To me, I dont give a sh!t when it comes to the law. I base my actions after morale and ethics.
Because its easy to hide behind the law. A policeman can do anything and its hard to get him busted as he got the force behind him. Not to mention that he can use the law against you.
Re: Are You Afraid of People Who Believe in God?
^ Thats physics n chemistry.
God does not belong to those subjects. He belongs to the paranormal. No physics n chemistry in there.
Edited by: AAdmin at: 9/5/07 6:44 pm
kasandri Veteran Member
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(8/26/07 9:16 pm) Reply
Re: Are You Afraid of People Who Believe in God?
Albanian Soul,
Yes, it is a matter of what you believe in. I choose to believe in the existence of God of one simple reason LIFE!
Kasso, Albanian Hero, The Defender of Albanian Rights in Illyria forums. I live for Albanianism.
Kiara1982 Registered User
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(8/31/07 6:55 pm) Reply
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You know what, AlbQ, I once witnessed a mother who gave a big piece of cake to her child and the thinnest slice, you can imagine, to a child whom she was babysitting. The tears of the neglected child touched my heart and I loathed the woman. I am non-judgemental, by nature, and have made it my principle to never judge without knowing the two sides of the story. This is the basis of righteousness. Recognising my error, I turned around and asked the woman about her unfairness and she gave me the simplest of answers ever: the child was a diabetic. Justice was served.
Do you get my point AlbQ? How can you tell between right and wrong, goodness and evil without an overall perspective and context? You need a context to make a judgement. For example, you will agree with me when I say that innocence and honesty are good and that manipulation is bad. What if I told you that honesty is a very sophisticated form of manipulation? A child that is rewarded for being honest will use honesty not for its own sake, but for the sake of getting what he wants out of his fathers pocket. Honesty in this case becomes a tool of payoff and not a principle. You see, it all depends on context and perspective.
You do not know if God exists, which, as far as I am concerned, is a very good start. At least you have your doubts. I love a sceptic. I am a sceptic, but I am also very sceptical of my own scepticism, which keeps me in a search and seek mood. A true sceptic is a person who seeks and a false sceptic is a person who is sceptic of everything except for his own scepticism. Such a person lacks the main ingredient that leads to KNOWLEDGE, and that, my dear friend, is open-mindedness. A closed-minded sceptic has stagnated. The most unforgivable SIN any human can commit is STAGNATION. Stagnation prevents the evolution of the mind and the evolution of the spirit. EVOLUTION, baby, is the purpose of the divine plan. You can stagnate in love and peace and you can stagnate in hate. The law of polarity is the driving force of the universe. The war between darkness and light; the war between ignorance and knowledge, whether naturally or artificially induced, will lead us towards treading new paths of awareness and wisdom. The lower, the obsolete and ignorance will never give in without a fight; and we need to be challenged to budge from that comfort zone of artificial and hypocritical living a peaceful life. No revolving planet will support a sloth.
Let us suppose, for the sake of the argument, that God exists. Do you think that HE (OK, I call God HE; I could call HIM SHE or IT but I do not think I would be closer to the truth) would let us stagnate? No way, baby, HE will place every stumbling block, every challenge, every misery and pain and suffering, before us, so that we grow and experience and evolve and remember. Every door that shuts before our face, will give us the courage and motivation and opportunity to seek and know. This is our purpose: to transmute hate into love; ignorance into knowledge; fear into inner peace; obsolete into new and so on and so forth. Look down our history. We have come a long way; we are not the hunter-gatherers of the old; we are living in the age of information and high technology. Riot after riot; revolution after revolution; war after war, have prepared the background for the explosion of a creativity and intelligence thought of as unattainable a century or two ago. For as long as there is a universe, antagonistic contradictions will not cease to exist, for the universe is a school of life.
I do not believe in GOD, honey; I KNOW GOD. Every single hair of everyones head is counted and precious. HE will never make us carry a heavier cross than our shoulders are able to support.
The very first step required of us IS to believe in HIM without seeing HIM, for we will NEVER seek something we believe does not exist. After the very first step you take, HE will take ten steps towards you. I know it is hard to believe in something you do not see; but think about this: we believe that airplanes exist because we have seen them, BUT somebody believed in them before seeing them. Edison failed 999 times before he brought the LIGHT to light but he believed in that idea and never gave up until he succeeded. Everything we have is a result of a simple belief. Belief is not an emotion but the single most important tool of realizing the power and potentiality that exists within us all. If we do not believe in BELIEF, then we are the most uncreative creatures ever. History tells me otherwise.
I know GOD, AlbQ and I am open to any question you might have. Are you still afraid of me?
Regards,
Kiara
AlbQ senior moderator
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(9/2/07 7:59 am) Reply
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Kiara (nice nick by the way), my question actually was directed mostly to the fanatics. I don't see anything wrong in moderate believing, but in the world of today I'm afraid that the moderates are becoming a minority, and we barely hear their voice. That means that the main stream of the believers is made up by the fanatics, and you know what does it mean when a fanatic in the name of God, goes into action.
As I understood you belong to the moderates, and since you belong to that group, my question to you is, can you moderates stop someone, who's fanatic of course, before he/she is about to kill in the name of God?
Because we nonbelievers can't stop them for the simple reason that we don't believe in God...
Now going to the skepticism part, if God exist or not. I belong to that group that is skeptic about his skepticism, but so far I haven't seen any proof on God's existence. I know that if I talk to some believer he/she will tell me that he is there and he's watching and protecting you...he might be, but why he doesn't show up so I can say a thank you when he helps me out? I would love to do that
What I think this whole thing about God and his existence is not really about him, but about the human nature. We humans need to believe on something that it's not necessarily supposed to exist. It's about hope when you feel down, when everything goes wrong, it's about to believe on something to keep you going. No wonder Hegel once said, if God didn't exist, we had to invent it. He believed in God himself, but his saying reveals the true nature of the God's existence.
Don't get me wrong, I have no complexes about the believers. I've been myself to several churches, mostly out of curiosity to tell you the truth, but as I said, I don't like the fanatics, whatever religion they belong to, and that was the point of opening this thread...
If you really convince me with facts that God exists, then I would be more than happy to admit his existence and his powers
Regards
srok Moderator
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(9/2/07 10:44 am) Reply
Re: Are You Afraid of People Who Believe in God?
Quote:Life and the universe exist so why is it so hard to believe that God exist?
when you look around you or your self at mirror you see life,when you look up in sky you see universe but where you see god,tell me where you see him,i would like to see also!
Re: Are You Afraid of People Who Believe in God?
The real people to be afraid of are the non believers who can commit sins without fear of God.
kasandri Veteran Member
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(9/2/07 12:32 pm) Reply
Re: Are You Afraid of People Who Believe in God?
srok
Quote:when you look around you or your self at mirror you see life,when you look up in sky you see universe but where you see god,tell me where you see him,i would like to see also!
Every creation has a creator! Common sense! A Spirit is invisible.
Kasso, Albanian Hero, The Defender of Albanian Rights in Illyria forums. I live for Albanianism.
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(9/4/07 1:57 am) Reply
Re: God...
Topic appears to be on fear of religious fundamentalists and is such fear warranted?
This question can be perhaps asnwered by adding an additional question.
Can a road that a religious fundamentalist person might undertake be compared to a road to schizophrenia where guides some humans might 'see' or FEEL are not of 'this world' and where reality is out of reach yet one doesnt see this as a fact? If so then should fundamentalism be regarded as possible road of schizophrenia?
Re: God...
After speaking to a friend I decided that non believers are just as dangerous as fanatics.
The first group having noone to fear
The second group having belief they are working for a greater power, therefore fear his wrath by not being a proper believer so try to perform the right actions ignorent of whether they are the correct actions.
The crusaders are just as bad as islamic fanatics today.
The only thing i truely cant understand is how humans can be so ignorent.
Well, both are characterized by impairments in the perception or expression of reality ...
VANiLo Honorary Member XMod
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(9/5/07 3:01 pm) Reply
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I wouldn't say fanaticism scares me...especially not religious fanaticism. I get frustrated of any kind of fanatics because I don't understand them - I usually try to be empathetic with people because I think it's important that one can see things from outside one's personal perspective...so when I can't do that it comes back to me because I feel narrowminded...when I really do know it's not me who's narrowminded. I believe in God and have a religion myself so I know quite a bit about what God says about overdoing things. I KNOW it's wrong to be extreme in anything. But yeah, I think everyone wants to do their part to be the good they don't see...
I know people do bad things in the name of religion...but since people do bad things generally I don't feel particularly afraid of ONE type of fanaticism. It's all the same to me.
Dijedon Senior Moderator
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(9/5/07 7:04 pm) Reply
Re: God...
Quote:After speaking to a friend I decided that non believers are just as dangerous as fanatics.
The first group having noone to fear
Just because you're a non believer doesn't automatically make you free of any conscience, thus making you able to committ whatever crime. Must you sense fear in order to restrain yourself from doing evil? If such is the case, believer or not, you're not a very good person.
A fanatic who's convinced his deeds are divinely justified is scary. But believing in a superior, over-natural being, isn't necessarely to be fanatic. I am agnostic, I believe in God, but I am not a fanatic and I think most people who know me as a person, but also people on this foru, would agree on such a thing, or fact.
Re: God...
Often I find people who really believe in God ( and practice their faith regularly) are much more friendly than atheist . Not to put anyone down but thats been my experiance .
Aim at right target not wrong one
All killing has been done under the name of politeisam or atheisam.
You have two wonderful exampls:
Faraon who was killing Jews and believers as he claimed he was a god all others had to serve him.
The second examplar is comunisam and faschisam where God did not exist.
Not just 6 millions of people died in the second world war but tens of millions of people in Europe and USSR.
Every religion talks about peace but people who are in power and who have nothing to do with religion abuse its principles and order to kill others.
Religion is about finding inner peace.Religion is your own choice and what ever path you chose it is a right path in religion.
at: 9/4/07 12:08 am
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