Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It?
Listen, posting images like that of Mohammend can surely offend some religious circles but in no way can be blown out of proportion. As bato said many funny picture about Jesus has been posted all over internet. What about Jehova's Witness? and so and so many other religions in the world.
It's not about Denmark but about the pride that these certain muslims have. They are very religious people and will go to great extent to prove a point.
What does that say?
They are radicals.
I can understand if a Muslim official comes forword and condemns peacefuly with words the images posted but i cant understand or justify the act of agression that they did to the European Union embassy.
That's not a proffesional and institutional way to solve the matter.
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(2/3/06 4:29 am) Reply
Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It? (IP
If you are a Muslim you will probably find the cartoons offensive (and they are offensive), especially with the b0mb one as head. BUT, think about the people who drew and published the cartoons. Did they really care? Does it matter to them making fun of Muslim symbols? I doubt it mattered much, otherwise they would have not drawn or published them.
To them is freedom of speech, mixed with personnal ideas maybe, but still, they did not care. They probably knew that this would bring and they went ahead. They probably thought that they might die for this crazy adventure. So?
Quote:Fatih Alev, a Danish imam, said that his country’s prime minister expressed the need for the Danish Muslim community to help in this situation.
“We are requested to clarify that the government has no say over the media,” Alev told Arab News.
Alev said that Muslims managed to deliver their message through the boycott and there has been an impact on the Danish economy.
“Now it is time to clarify that the newspaper that has apologized for publishing the cartoons was unaware about the sensitivity of this issue with Muslims,” he said, emphasizing Denmark’s separation of the media from the government’s control.
Some people are making fun of the Middle eastern countries for their rigidity and strong/OFFICIAL/governmental reaction.
The paper with the cartoons was out, published. Too late to stop it.
Quote:PARIS, Feb 2, 2006 (AFP) - Several French newspapers rallied Thursday in support of France Soir after it became the first publication outside Denmark and Norway to print all 12 controversial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.
The authoritative daily Le Monde published its own front-page depiction of Mohammed -- a drawing by cartoonist Plantu showing a bearded prophet made up of the words "I must not draw Mohammed" written repeatedly in long-hand.
"A Muslim may well be shocked by a picture of Mohammed, especially an ill-intentioned one. But a democracy cannot start policing people's opinions, except by trampling the rights of man underfoot," it said in an editorial.
Here is Jordan. Even the muslim guy who tried to inform his people about the cartoons got fired:
Quote:Although the cartoons originated in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten paper, they have been reprinted in newspapers in Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain - all saying they were expressing free speech.
In Jordan, an independent tabloid, al-Shihan, reprinted three of the cartoons on Thursday, saying people should know what they were protesting about.
In a separate article, the newspaper's editor, Jihad Momani, urged the world's Muslims to "be reasonable" in their response to the drawings.
The paper's publishers sacked him hours later over the "shock" he had caused, Jordan's official Petra news agency reported.
It could have been published on internet and with fake names. So? Does it change what they wanted to say and what they think or thet they really wanted to show?
How about the FATWA against the troops?
Maybe some Arab & Middle eastern regimes do not understand how the government works in the western countries, unlike in theirs where no one can play games with religion or where government controls everything ...
Here is the special Saudi Arabia:
Quote:To Shoot or Not to Shoot
Javid Hassan & Ali Al-Zahrani, Arab News
Monday, 24, October, 2005 (21, Ramadhan, 1426)
The textbook used in the ninth grade, for example, says that photography is a form of idolatry. On page 100, it states, “Depicting living creatures, animal or human, whether life-size or on paper or walls is prohibited because it imitates God’s creation.”
Commenting on the subject, Khaled Al-Atiq, one of the founders of the largest association of Saudi photographers, said: “If I am assaulted by a ninth grader, I do not blame him or her. Instead, I hold the Ministry of Education and the teachers responsible.”
He added: “Our society considers photography atheistic and perhaps thinks that a photographer is the same as an individual who consumes alcohol.”
Speaking for himself, Al-Atiq said that religious scholars were divided on which photographs to prohibit. Some argue that artists are tinkering with God’s creations. In Atiq’s words, “We do not change any of God’s creations and lack the means to do so.”
According to the photographer, religious scholars in Saudi Arabia fall into two groups — the first seek a blanket ban on photographs in daily newspapers while others are more sympathetic to the photographer’s predicament.
Sheikh Mohamed Al-Othaimeen, a well-known Islamic scholar, said: “What I see is a device which produces a picture. The individual plays no part in the process; the picture is an image of what God created. It is an impression with no intervention by the photographer. The Hadiths (sayings of the Prophet) forbid only representation which imitates the acts of God.”
Mohammed Al-Ghannam, an Islamic teacher in an intermediate school, said: “In our school we don’t allow students to draw a whole living creature. They normally draw landscapes of natural scenery without any bird or animal. For example, if one wants to draw a falcon, he draws only the body without the head. Alternatively, he could draw a line between the body and the neck. Drawing a complete bird is not permissible in Islam.”
Recently, a newspaper photographer was detained by the mutawwa (religious police) for photographing a row of trees uprooted during a sand storm in Riyadh. The reason given for his detention was that trees are God’s creation and that by photographing fallen trees, the photographer was making fun of God’s creation.
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(2/3/06 1:20 pm) Reply
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Generally, very sensible responses. The only one I would take issue is:
Quote:however this time media really gets a taste of their own medicine, this is what happens when you insult a group of people, weather it is in words or picture
It is precisely the idea that threatening peoples lives is "a taste of your own medicine", in response to an insult to your beliefs, that gives Islam such a bad name - unjustified or not.
An important point is that the Palestinians and Moroccans may have been misled by the Danish Islamic clerics who travelled around the ME to raise this issue. Three cartoons that were NOT published by Jylands-Posten were circulated by these clerics, really offensive and gratuitously malicious ones.
I think the main issue that this incident raises is the importance of ensuring that the leadership of Muslim immigrant communities understand their duty to further integration and acceptance of the parameters of Western public life. Religion here in the West is a private and spiritual matter, not a programme for the regulation of everyday life and international politics - something I think most Albs, at least, understand.
Edited by: BibleRiot at: 2/3/06 1:23 pm
Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It? (IP
What about the Muslim comunity of Britain celebrating the september 11-th as a GREAT DAY OF VICTORY in bases of freedom of speach?(celebrating the terrorist atacs in a other country),and also never a muslim leader took part in a holocaust memorial....But when it comes to their part of tolerance the don't wat to play it.....In wester society religion is part of our lives but for muslims here Religion rules their lives..I wasn't comftible with some coments by muslim leadersin UK,...The only solution for Blasphemy is Death..When those people gonna understand the word Tolerance not just to spell it
This cartoons i know are offensive but they where a test on the level of tolerance in the muslim world...And we so it!Edited by: bato at: 2/3/06 3:13 pm
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Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It? (IP
The whole think is being blown out of proportion and missused to further divide the Muslim & Christian communisites.
But, like BR wrote, some Danish clerics have done it on purpose, because some of them like to incite their believers and make theie feelings "stronger".
Now the extremists are using the cartoons to justify their violent actions against Iraqi churches.
Quote:Meanwhile, Imam Akkari, who led the delegation that sought help from the Arab World in dealing with prejudices against Denmark's Muslim community, said it wasn't his intention to stymie the right of free speech to the country's journalists.
"Our intention was never to introduce censorship or to ban criticism of issues related to religion," Akkari emphasized. In recent years though, he points out, the Danish media focused an inordinate amount of attention on Muslim communities. "But now we are worried that the problem is escalating and that some people might get the wrong idea," he said. Akkari strongly condemned the bomb threat levelled against Jyllands-Posten and is quick to emphasize that he is dedicated to "the political path of discussion."
But despite his conciliatory tone, Danish repugnance for the harsh reaction to the caricatures among Denmark's Muslims is growing. "I can understand if someone feels their religious sensibilities have been offended," said Martin, a 25-year-old bicycle salesman. "But burning the Danish flag? That's going too far."
"In Denmark, we love irony and sarcasm," said Eminie Ehlers, 23. "I can't imagine living in a country where I am no longer allowed to voice my free opinion." Her companion Tonni Soerensen agreed. "The Muslim reaction was exaggerated in the extreme," he said. "When these imams go around telling everybody how bad we are, it's like a stab in the back." After all, he adds, the door was opened to Denmark's immigrants.
Other Aarhus inhabitants went even further. "If they don't agree with the freedom of the press, then they should go back home," said Anne Grethe, a 59-year-old who refused to give her last name. Jen, too, wanted to remain anonymous. "Most Muslims don't want this conflict," the 33-year-old said. "But I can't help thinking, if Danish companies have to lay people off as a result of the boycott, then it should be the Muslim employees who are let go first."
The escalation that concerns Akkari seems already to have arrived.
BUT, Mohamed the Propht has been depicted by his own people too. History of drawings.
Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It? (IP
Here are some pictures of British Muslims demonstrate outside the Danish embassy over the publication of cartoons of Mohammad, in London today...
Homer Simpson - "You'll have to speak up I'm wearing a towel."
Peter Griffin to Lois - "If I'm a child that means you're a pedophile, and I'll be damned if i'm going stand here and take this from a pervert."
Cartman - "Maury, I am out of control. Yeah, I use drugs. I can do what I waunt, biatch! Yeah, I have sex, and I don't use protection! It's my hot body; I'll do what I waunt! I don't go to school and I kill people! What-evah! I'll do what I waunt!"
Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It? (IPThe source of the controversy
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(2/5/06 1:04 am) Reply
Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It? (IP
I have to agree with BR here!
The issue here is not whether these pictures were justified, accurate or morally in a position to depict Islam & Mohammed in such a manner. The issue here is radical Muslims not accepting the laws and norms of western, or more correctly, european countries.
As BR said, religion in Europe functions as a private matter, and shouldn't be missinterpreted with political constitutions. He who wishes to follow the religion to which he belongs can do so in his private sphere and cannot force his own beliefs into other people, and he can follow his religion as long as it isn't in conflict with the laws of the country which he inhabits. If someone ridicules his religion, he must leave the punishment to God in the afterlife, because he cannot act judge.
If the Muslims from Africa & Asia have a problem with freedom of speech, by all means, they can return to their original homecountries. One has as an obligation & duty to the country one immigrates into, to integrate himself as well as follow and abide the local laws and not implement his own in another man's house! I can understand their anger and frustration, but such is democracy and freedom of speech.
Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It? (IPSyrians Torch Embassies Over Caricatures
By ALBERT AJI, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 48 minutes ago
DAMASCUS, Syria - Thousands of Syrians enraged by caricatures of Islam's revered prophet torched the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus on Saturday — the most violent in days of furious protests by Muslims in Asia, Europe and the Middle East.
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In Gaza, Palestinians marched through the streets, storming European buildings and burning German and Danish flags. Protesters smashed the windows of the German cultural center and threw stones at the European Commission building, police said.
Iraqis rallying by the hundreds demanded an apology from the European Union, and the leader of the Palestinian group Hamas called the cartoons "an unforgivable insult" that merited punishment by death.
Pakistan summoned the envoys of nine Western countries in protest, and even Europeans took to the streets in Denmark and Britain to voice their anger.
At the heart of the protest: 12 caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad first published in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten in September and reprinted in European media in the past week. One depicted the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse. The paper said it had asked cartoonists to draw the pictures because the media was practicing self-censorship when it came to Muslim issues.
The drawings have touched a raw nerve in part because Islamic law is interpreted to forbid any depictions of the Prophet Muhammad.
Aggravating the affront, Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said repeatedly he cannot apologize for his country's free press. But other European leaders tried Saturday to calm the storm.
Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel said she understood Muslims were hurt — though that did not justify violence.
"Freedom of the press is one of the great assets as a component of democracy, but we also have the value and asset of freedom of religion," Merkel told an international security conference in Munich, Germany.
The Vatican deplored the violence but said certain provocative forms of criticism were unacceptable.
"The right to freedom of thought and expression ... cannot entail the right to offend the religious sentiment of believers," the Vatican said in its first statement on the controversy.
The United States called the burnings "inexcusable" and blamed the Syrian government for security failures.
" Syria must act decisively to protect all foreign embassies and citizens in Damascus from attack," White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said in a statement. "We will hold Syria responsible for such violent demonstrations since they do not take place in that country without government knowledge and support."
But Denmark and Norway did not wait for more violence.
With their Damascus embassies up in flames, the foreign ministries advised their citizens to leave Syria without delay.
"It's horrible and totally unacceptable," Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller said on Danish public television Saturday.
No diplomats were injured in the Syrian violence, officials said. But Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds — whose country, along with Chile, has an embassy in the same building — said she would lodge a formal protest over the lack of security.
In Santiago, the Chilean Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the Chilean Embassy in Damascus was also torched but nobody was injured.
The demonstrations in Damascus began peacefully with protesters gathering outside the building housing the Danish Embassy. But they began throwing stones and eventually broke through police barricades. Some scrambled up concrete barriers protecting the embassy, climbed into the building and set a fire.
"With our blood and souls we defend you, O Prophet of God!" the demonstrators chanted. Some removed the Danish flag and replaced it with a green flag printed with the words: "There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God."
Demonstrators moved onto the Norwegian Embassy about 4 miles away, also setting fire to it before being dispersed by police using tear gas and water cannons. Hundreds of police and troops barricaded the road leading to the French Embassy, but protesters were able to break through briefly before fleeing from the force of water cannons.
Amid the furor, Syria's Grand Mufti urged calm, noting the demonstration had started in a "nice and disciplined way," but then turned violent because of "some members who do not understand the language of dialogue."
"We never expressed our anger in such a way, and we believe that dialogue should be done through guidance and teaching, not through killing, harming and burning," Sheik Ahmed Badr-Eddine Hassoun said in remarks carried by state-run Syrian Arab News Agency, or SANA.
In Gaza, masked gunmen affiliated with the Fatah Party called on the Palestinian Authority and Muslim nations to recall their diplomatic missions from Denmark until the government apologizes.
In the West Bank town of Hebron, about 50 Palestinians marched to the headquarters of the international observer mission there, burned a Danish flag and demanded a boycott of Danish goods.
"We will redeem our prophet Muhammad with our blood!" they chanted.
Mahmoud Zahar, leader of the militant Palestinian group Hamas, told the Italian daily Il Giornale the cartoonists should be punished by death.
We should have killed all those who offend the Prophet and instead here we are, protesting peacefully." he said.
Hundreds of Iraqis rallied south of Baghdad, some carrying banners urging "honest people all over the world to condemn this act" and demanding an EU apology.
Anger swelled in Europe, too. Young Muslims clashed briefly with police in Copenhagen, the Danish capital, and some 700 people rallied outside the Danish Embassy in London.
A South African court banned the country's Sunday newspapers from reprinting the cartoons.
Iran's president ordered his commerce minister to study canceling all trade contracts with European countries whose newspapers have published the caricatures, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the caricatures showed the "impudence and rudeness" of Western newspapers against the prophet as well as the "maximum resentment of the Zionists (Jews) ruling these countries against Islam and Muslims."
The leaders of Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan denounced the publication of the caricatures. Pakistan's Foreign Ministry summoned nine envoys to lodge protests against the publication of the "blasphemous" sketches.
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In my opinion Syria by attacking the Danish embassy has waged a war against Denmark. The embassy is an international soil.
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Homer Simpson - "You'll have to speak up I'm wearing a towel."
Peter Griffin to Lois - "If I'm a child that means you're a pedophile, and I'll be damned if i'm going stand here and take this from a pervert."
Cartman - "Maury, I am out of control. Yeah, I use drugs. I can do what I waunt, biatch! Yeah, I have sex, and I don't use protection! It's my hot body; I'll do what I waunt! I don't go to school and I kill people! What-evah! I'll do what I waunt!"
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(2/5/06 4:52 am) Reply
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Look at the irony of the pics when put together
Quote:BBC news
Muslim protesters who threatened violence during a march in London should be shown "no tolerance", the Conservatives have said.
Shadow home secretary David Davis said some of the placards held amounted to "incitement to murder" and protesters should be dealt with firmly by police.
Earlier, a leading British Muslim said the march should have been stopped.
Friday's protests over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad saw banners with slogans such as "7/7 is on its way".
On Saturday, Asghar Bukhari, chairman of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, said the demonstration in London on Friday should have been stopped by police because the group had been advocating violence.
He said the protesters "did not represent British Muslims".
He said that Muslims were angry over satirical cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad published in European papers but it was "outrageous" for anyone to advocate extreme action or violence.
"We believe it [the protest] should have been banned and the march stopped.
"It's irrelevant whether it's Muslims causing hatred or anyone else - freedom of speech has to be responsible."
Police estimated Friday's crowd at between 500 and 700 and no arrests were made.
At the French Embassy in London, Feb 3 (hmm, freedom of expression)
A rally in Islamabad, Pakistan, Feb 3
Outside the Danish Embassy in London, Feb 3
Quote:Some European newspapers reprinted the caricatures this week, prompting protests Friday in Britain, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia and Palestinian areas. In Sudan, some even urged al-Qaida terrorists to target Denmark.
"Strike, strike, Bin Laden," shouted some in a crowd of about 50,000 who filled a Khartoum square.
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Iraq's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, condemned the publications as a "horrific action."
But in remarks posted on his Web site, al-Sistani referred to "misguided and oppressive" segments of the Muslim community whose actions "projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood."
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The Danish government tried to contain the damage. Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller called Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and said the Danish government "cannot accept an assault against Islam," according to Abbas' office.
On Monday, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said his government could not apologize on behalf of a newspaper, but that he personally "never would have depicted Muhammad, Jesus or any other religious character in a way that could offend other people."
Many Muslims consider the Danish government's reaction inadequate
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Clerics in Palestinian areas called in Friday prayers for a boycott of Danish and European goods and the severing of diplomatic ties. Tens of thousands of incensed Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance.
"Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, a tailor who marched in the pouring rain with hundreds of other Muslims in the West Bank city of Ramallah. "Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," the protesters chanted.
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In Damascus, Syria, entrances to the Al-Murabit mosque were strewn with Danish, Israeli and American flags so worshippers could trample them as they entered. Banners outside called for a boycott of Danish, European and U.S. products "until Denmark is brought to its knees, regretting this farce of freedom of expression."
Some 1,500 worshippers in Jordan marched in the northeastern city of Zarqa, demanding that Denmark prosecute the cartoonist who drew the caricatures.
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Palestinians in the town of Hebron, Feb 3
Pavement leading up to a a mosque in Damascus, Feb 3
A nicely covered lady marches towards the Danish embassy in London, Feb 3
(Maybe one of the worst examples of intolerance, coming from a woman, and I think it denies the previous holocaust on the Jews)
Re: Testing the boundaries of freedom, or Censure of It? (IP
What I find peculiar and illogical (illogical cause the main driving force is emotion, in this particular case rage) is that some of these radical and obviously fundamentalist Muslims are playing exactly into what they are being depicted as in the cartoons and that is as a ticking time bomb with their open calls of violence and finally acts of violence themselves.
There is clearly an overblown reaction that in my opinion is not overblown but probably carefully orchestrated by more extremist circles who are using any excuse (regardless whether such excuse could be deemed as logical or not) to ferment more extremism and more outright hate towards anyone who dares to touch their 'sacred' and dogma driven perceptions.
What is really in question here.
On one hand, there is a tasteless depiction by local media of extremist Muslims but for this to be used for inciting such large scale hate driven extremism can not be possibly acceptable for the modern secular western world (in which I include China, India and Japan - especially in this case).
On the other hand, certain fundamentalist totalitarian governments (without any true legal legitimacy whatsoever) are influencing their followers (who are more then likely a small minority even in their own respected countries where such governments are not elected by the people but rather forced on them) in the secular modern world to react in a manner that in way cannot be deemed as reflective of the kind of behavior that a educated modern citizen of the world is expected to act in.
Also, is the western world to restrict freedom for speech in the western secular world and modify the basic tenants of the western/global civilization because a group of hate-filled extremists regards freedom of expression as a major threat to braking down dogma that are keeping certain parts of the world in intellectual darkness (in a similar manner that dark ages kept Europe in intellectual darkness in the middle ages).
Or, are we to continue modernizing and secularising parts of the world where dogma has been unquestioned for so long - the very dogma that stands in direct contradiction of such world. Should be choose progress or dogma, hmmm.
Western countries can easily regard religious fundamentalism of any kind as one of the biggest threats to the overall progress of humanity and as a result might feel a need to see this addressed in a most serious and urgent manner possibility by all the strongest world powers with seeking a consensus as to how to deal with such a threat. It can be regarded that Planet as a whole has become too small for any one region to be ignored globally speaking. It can be said that fundamentalists are obviously asking for attention and they can easily get much more of it then they have bargained for.
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I was talking about this issue with my family members at lunch today and i came to conclusion the same as Aadmin.
I think this is overblown out of proportion. These people dont understand the international rules, they are blinded by religion but i am pretty sure the developed Western World and Eastern World(japan and co) will make sure to isolate these people.
The middle-eastern world needs to fight these radicals themselves. They need to emancipate. Their society needs to emancipate. Their books need to emancipate. Their woman need to emancipate. Their politics need to emancipate. They should do that not only for the sake of Western world(the threat that they pose to us) but for the sake of their own people, children, and future generation so they can have a better life.
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(2/5/06 6:28 am) Reply
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Ok, ok. Let's lighten up this topic a little.
Hey, I wrote private messages to a couple of our dedicated Muslims here (so that they can partecipate in this discussion), and they had activated their auto reply feature of their inbox. It said:
"We are not present, but taking part in a peacuful meeting in our country. Peace be with you."
Ok guys, just be peaceful and write back to us.
Anyway, all this uproar about CARTOONS!! Hmm, what if those sketchers/painters had tried to give real pics of the Muslim Prophet, hm? That would have been something ... bigger.
I'm afraid that many in the Middle Eastern countries do not know what the cartoons were about, becaise not only they cannot see the cartoons, but even the couple who tried to tell their people what the cartoons were about ... got arrested ! (trying to help hmm?)
Are you kidding me? With all these troubles and fighting in two war fronts, US can not afford to back jack against Muslims. The irony is that before the cartoons, FRANCE was considered, by the Muslims, in polls, to be the best (Muslim friendly) country to live in. Now ... it's not any more.
I do not know if this has been manipulated OR maybe is an actual protest with true banners, where the protesters are being sarcastic, maybe.
who knows (?)
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(2/5/06 6:47 am) Reply
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Here are The French!
The cartoonist wrote a 1000 times: I will not redraw ... (you know who)
This one is good and with a wise message.
It has the other important ones telling the Prophet to take it easy and not worry, because he is not the only one to have been picked on.
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(2/5/06 7:08 am) Reply
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So, what else is happening in the world?
How about some cartoons from The Arab world? (how about THIS?)
Scary, now the cartoonists fear for their lifes! Really? Too late now, even though they have been making a lot of money, have apologized more than once and have decided to set up an account to help with activities for peace and tolerance....
(version 2: no apologies)
Now some Muslim political asylum seekers in the west are saying: The war is on! (dude, you need to leave the freaking host country first) (link 2)
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I am mad when i see how these religious leaders are using Islam for their own personal interestst$.
The western Imperialists and their deluded supporters are shoving their hands from joy that these people are using such ridiculous tactics to defend their religion. They are preparing the public opinion for their Crusades.
I am very concerned with this anti-muslim hysteria, which is propagated by the media, that is engulfing Europe. I only hope that there wont be another Holocaust in Europe. This time against the muslims.
After all it was Europe that gave birth to anti-semitism..not Middle East.
I come from times when anywhere you manifested your opinion loudly; you could start a revolution.. that is why they were shutting your mouth.
I go to times that whatever you say, however you say it and to how many people you say it; it doesn't really matter.. that is why they are letting you to speak.
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