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You know what....
This isnt about Islam or Hz MuhAmmed. its about how they can provoke extremists to react... and as an anicdote to that reaction how America shall intervene.
In the political environment of the last 5 years its not appropriate. Today a Priest was shot dead in a Church built by an Ottoman Pa$a for the Christian worshippers...
kinda ironic huh?
In my opinion yea its cool to do these things... sop come on guys.. who is gona draw cartoons about gay greeks..? who wants to show Jesus as a crack head?.. lets draw how the holocaust was a lie.. freedom of press or the beginning of anarchy i duno i dont get it.
where is the line between freedom and provocation.
Re: The boundaries of freedom. Or Censure of It? CARTOONS (ILets show the other side of view
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I would like to be fair and objective and show you the other side of the story. An article that criticizes Europe and the european attitude and tells how many Muslims are sick and tired of being unfairly labeled as bin Laden sympathizers. After Ibn Warraqs article, Jürgen Gottschlich, a german journalist living in Istanbul offers his rebuttal.
European Arrogance Versus Muslim Fanaticism
By Jürgen Gottschlich in Istanbul
In the beginning, everything seemed simple. A book author had trouble finding artists willing to create a few humorous drawings to illustrate a book he was writing about the Prophet Muhammad. Taking its cue from Germany's tabloid Bild -- infamous for launching populist crusades of its own -- Denmark's largest-circulation newspaper Jyllands-Posten took on the challenge. It called on Danish cartoonists to find the cajones to finally take on the dim-witted mullahs, potential honor killers and "goat fuckers" and tell them what they really thought. Graphically, of course, so that these illiterates could understand.
After all, this is beautiful Denmark, where, thankfully, for the past few years we've stopped letting these people sponge off our social system. The policy was a total success. The intended recipients of the message got it loud and clear. And they even responded with the expected howls of indignation. They ran to the government and to the courts -- just so they could be officially told: This is how things work around here in Denmark. Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen was thrilled and saw no reason whatsoever to rebuke the heroic free speech champions at Jyllands-Posten. For their part, the courts essentially ruled that Denmark should have the freedom of opinion necessary to finally show the Muslims who really has the upper hand.
Europe's most xenophobic government
Indeed, since taking office the motto of Denmark's right-leaning government has essentially been: If you don't fit into to our society, then go back where you came from. No other European government operates with such open xenophobia as the Danish. Voters like it, too. After all, they say to themselves, we're talking about immigrants who are really just freeloaders who don't share "our values."
Danish Muslims, who have had this message pounded into their heads for far too long, finally got it. And they went "home." They couldn't find anyone in Denmark who would listen to them, so they left and sought support at the powerful Al-Aqsa mosque in Cairo, a major doctrinal center in Islam. Since then, the heroes of free speech have been shaking in their boots. No longer is the issue merely that of belittling an immigrant group. Now it's time for feigned apologies.
A number of free speech heroes in Europe saw a chance to profit from the situation and quickly postured as lighthouses of freedom. Nevertheless, Jyllands-Posten and Rasmussen are in a pinch -- they have no idea how to defuse the situation and escape it unscathed. Who knew, they must be asking themselves, that Muslims around the world would suddenly grow irate, boycott Danish products and commit acts of violence against Danish and -- thanks to the other heroes of free speech -- other European institutions. No, there's no way we could have expected that -- it's totally surreal. Over a few caricatures? This can't be real! We have to be allowed to draw cartoons. Of course, anything is allowed if people are stupid enough to cross the line.
In a short interview on the German public broadcaster ZDF, Al-Jazeera's German correspondent got straight to the point. For many years, Europe's Muslim immigrants have had the feeling, that they are constantly being criticized and that they no longer enjoy any respect whatsoever. This powder keg of frustration and anger is overflowing and any action could set it off. And that's just how Muslim immigrants in Europe feel. And that's also how Muslims elsewhere feel. There's a general feeling among Muslims that they are regarded by the West as Osama bin Laden's secret sympathizers.
Poverty vs. arrogance?
Even in a secular Muslim country like Turkey, where only a few members of hardcore religious parties demonstrated at the Danish embassy in Istanbul, frustration with "the West" has grown in recent years. A lot of that has to do with the reaction of a large part of Europe to Turkey's desire to join the European Union. And it also has to do with the way in which the West's leading power has acted in Iraq. But while Turkey may have kept its composure, the Danes have sent sparks flying in many other Muslim countries. Just as there are heroes of free speech in Denmark, there are also heroes -- from the Arabian Peninsula to North Africa to Indonesia -- who are ready to take to the barricades to defend their prophet's dignity.
So have we reached the long talked about conflict of civilizations? If we keep working at it, we may soon enough. On the one side, you have religious fanaticism and poverty -- on the other you have arrogance and people who fear for their own prosperity. Taken together, it's a highly explosive mix. Instead of participating in a disingenuous battle for free speech, it is high time for some in Europe to return to the virtues of Enlightenment to help them find reason. The situation is difficult enough already and there are idiots on all sides. Indeed, neither is free of guilt.
One can only hope that people will listen to the voice of reason that came from the United Nations headquarters on Friday. Secretary General Kofi Annan urged Arabs to accept the apology given by the editors of Jyllands-Posten and said: "I share the distress of the Muslim friends who feel that the cartoon offends their religion. I also respect the right of freedom of speech. But of course freedom of speech is never absolute. It entails responsibility and judgment."
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(2/5/06 11:08 pm) Reply
Lighten up, Muslim dudes
Some Muslims are offended by the very idea of portraying the Prophet. Perhaps they missed the episode of South Park in which he figures, called Super Best Friends. There's a Flash presentation available online.
Re: Lighten up, Muslim dudes
There is a good side of the cartoons for the Muslims: it's sort of God's gift to the Muslim Ummah as a whole. It has for a long long time been extremely split with Shias and Sunnis hating on one another, rising nationalism among Muslims who superiourize their own nation over other particular Muslim nations although, Islamically, we're all no better than anyone but all EQUAL! These cartoons have FORCED Muslims worldwide to put their differences aside for once and unite against a common thing. Which is theoretically speaking really amazing for the Muslim Ummah. It's quite funny but we should sort of thank Jyllands-Posten for FINALLY uniting us
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(2/6/06 3:14 am) Reply
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There are a couple of things which I have noticed.
In a TV show (history Channel) on Crusades, the Arab narrator told that even today in Egypt, in its cafes, there are people who tell stories about the crusades, how Saladin won etc etc. So, this kind of ancient stuff is unimagginable in Europe or west. (do you get the point of how some Muslims get inspired and what the mentality is and where are some people stuck)
The other instance had to do with a highly educated ex - immigrant Muslim French citizen who was talking on the NPR radio (during the violent days) and pretty much he just justified the car burnings & violence in France, and that the youngsters "had nothing else to do" Really? Nice example.
But wasnt this freaking Europe that loved Muslims & Arabs more than US.
And here is the news:
Quote:US paper defends printing cartoon
06.02.06
The Philadelphia Inquirer, one of the few US newspapers to publish a caricature of the Prophet Mohammad from a series that sparked a wave of protests by Muslims, defended the action today by saying it was just doing its job.
"This is the kind of work that newspapers are in business to do," said Amanda Bennett, the newspaper's editor.
The Inquirer on Saturday published the most controversial image, which depicted the Prophet with a turban resembling a lit bomb, and it posted on its website an internet link to the rest of the cartoons.
The Inquirer included a note with its publication of the image which read, in part, "The Inquirer intends no disrespect to the religious beliefs of any of its readers. But when a use of religious imagery that many find offensive becomes a major news story, we believe it is important for readers to be able to judge the content of the image for themselves."
The note compared the image with the earlier publication of a 1987 photograph by Andres Serrano of a crucifix in urine, a work which angered many Christians.
Most US news outlets, including The New York Times, The Washington Post and USA Today, have declined to run any of the images so far, instead describing them in words as they cover the outraged reaction by Muslims to the cartoons.
Many broadcast programmes and news networks including ABC have shown either full or partially obscured images of the cartoons.
"You run it because there's a news reason to run it," the paper quoted Bennett as saying. "The controversy does not appear to have died down. It's still a news issue."
Wow, now US must be in the list of the countries who are pro-Denmark. (?) I believe some are keeping track of who is disrespecting the Prophet and probably actions will follow.
Here is the lady in front of the Danish consulate in Beirut, Lebanon, feb 5
What answer? The government cannot give an order to the media to what not to write or how to make charicatures.
The cartoonist did this to provoke people/Muslims, as simple as that.
You want the answer?
Authorities 'backed' riots
By Hugh Macleod in Damascus
Published: 06 February 2006
Syrian protesters who burnt and looted the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus at the weekend were encouraged to organise by the Syrian authorities, and received text messages from Islamic study centres urging them to gather, according to participants in the riot.
"The sheikhs told us to send five text messages to every true Muslim we knew urging them to participate," said a student from the conservative Abu Nour Islamic Institute in Damascus, who wished to remain anonymous. "The authorities gave a green light for us to organise the gathering in public and to participate in it."
The Middle East has for months been a tinderbox of pent-up anti-Western anger, and the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Mohamed was the spark that lit the fuse. But the fury displayed by crowds in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and Iraq may also have been exploited by some Muslim countries to settle scores with Western powers. Syria and Iran face growing pressure from the US and Europe on the issues of Iraq and on Tehran's nuclear programme. And Egypt, one of the first to publicly criticise the cartoons, has been critical of the Danish government for funding critics of human rights abuses.
"This is an organised attempt to take advantage of Muslim anger for purposes that do not serve the interests of Muslims and Lebanon, but those of others beyond the border," Lebanese Social Affairs Minister Nayla Mouawad, a Christian, said yesterday after riots in Beirut.
Wael Bawabigy, a young Damascus trader, who took part in Saturday's violent demonstration, which the White House said could not have happened "without government knowledge and support", said security forces armed with tear gas and rubber bullets were taken by surprise.
Iraq's Transport Ministry has frozen contracts with Denmark and Norway in protest.
Syrian protesters who burnt and looted the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus at the weekend were encouraged to organise by the Syrian authorities, and received text messages from Islamic study centres urging them to gather, according to participants in the riot.
"The sheikhs told us to send five text messages to every true Muslim we knew urging them to participate," said a student from the conservative Abu Nour Islamic Institute in Damascus, who wished to remain anonymous. "The authorities gave a green light for us to organise the gathering in public and to participate in it."
The Middle East has for months been a tinderbox of pent-up anti-Western anger, and the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Mohamed was the spark that lit the fuse. But the fury displayed by crowds in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and Iraq may also have been exploited by some Muslim countries to settle scores with Western powers. Syria and Iran face growing pressure from the US and Europe on the issues of Iraq and on Tehran's nuclear programme. And Egypt, one of the first to publicly criticise the cartoons, has been critical of the Danish government for funding critics of human rights abuses.
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At least Mulsims like Osmano find happiness that these events are helping the Muslim brothers unite together against the ... same enemy? How sweet. Joy to you.
Tens of thousands of Sudanese demonstrators in Khartoum filled a downtown square, calling for a boycott of goods from Denmark after the publication of controversial cartoons of the prophet Muhammad.
Some shouted: "You Danish Satan, the Muslim people are now out after you!" Some even shouted for al Qaida leader Osama bin Laden to retaliate for the insult to their prophet.
"Strike, strike, strike, bin Laden!" the frenzied group chanted.
Demonstrators wrapped a copy of a Danish flag around a donkey - regarded as a symbol of stupidity - and hoisted it as the crowd jeered.
Then they tore off the flag and burned it.
"We are ready to die in defence of you our beloved prophet," yelled the crowd.
Witnesses said nearly 50,000 people took part, but it was impossible to independently estimate the number.
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well it is not allowable to draw the prophets face in islam at all.let alone in such a disgusting manner. freedom of speech doesnt give u a right to purposly defame and slander as you please. a good reason why nazis are censored in germany ..etc.
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(2/6/06 4:54 pm) Reply
YES WE CAN CARRICATURE GOD, WE HAVE THE RIGHT
Says French Columnist
Carricature showing figures from different religions telling Mohammed to not be upset since all have been made fun of.
This goes to show just how civilization lacking the MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS are in SECULAR EUROPE. They are already breeching land and now cannot complain. All we be made fun of. This is European civilization and this is Muslim/Arabic one:
Compare and contrast.....
I HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE FUN OF ANYONE BE IT JESUS, MOHAMMED, BUDDHA.
DONT LIKE IT. LEAVE IT.
STOP THE BARBARIANS, THROW OUT THE BARBARIANS
Body of Van Gogh. A filmmaker killed for making a short documentary on muslims.
Quote:In USA Nazi style hate speeches are covered under freedom of speech, i think
YES. ITS CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH. They have the right, it may offend, it may be disgusting but nonetheless it is a right. It is my right to offend anything I please, it is your right to ignore it or try to counter me. Whenever somethign happens, these muslims ruth to beatings killings and burning, there is no reasoning with them.
Lets check out the BS:
-After 9/11 muslims around the world and in britain said it was a day of victory, they also screamed out "NUKE US" etc.
-The muslim world media has repeatedly bashed the Pope as a tyrant and Jews as demons.
-In Britain, Muslim Imams have uploaded videos of beheadings.
Lets also see why there is no coexistance with middle easterners:
-Most of the extremists are those who have been alienated from their homes(like we are more patriotic then Albs at home). THEY HAVE SHOWN THE HIGHEST BOUTS OF EXTREMISM.
More to come later
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Re: YES WE CAN CARRICATURE GOD, WE HAVE THE RIGHT
The cartoons are in fact more than 4 months old, first displayed by Jyllandsposten in September, in Oktober Saudi Arabia made their boycott threat and in December the Norwegian paper displayed it. It was first in late January however that things really got out of hand
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A Lebanese Christian woman stands outside a Maronite church in Beirut February 6, 2006. The church was hit by stones during a demonstration by Islamists on Sunday. Lebanon's interior minister resigned on Sunday after thousands of angry Muslim protesters torched the Danish consulate in Beirut and damaged property in a Christian area in riots over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad. REUTERS/Jamal Saidi
(needs to be said that Imams tried to prevent the lebanese crowd from damaging the christian properties, but ...)
Muslim Jordanians hold up posters during a protest outside the Danish consulate in Amman, Jordan February 6, 2006.
A Lebanese sheikh tries to calm demonstrators after fire was set to the Danish consulate in Beirut February 5, 2006. Angry demonstrators set the Danish consulate in Beirut ablaze on Sunday and the violent turn in protests over publication of cartoons of Prophet Mohammad drew condemnation from European capitals and moderate Muslims. REUTERS/Mohamed Azakir
Etymology: Medieval Latin assassinus, from Arabic hashshAshIn, plural of hashshAsh one who smokes or chews hashish, from hashIsh hashish
1 capitalized : one of a secret order of Muslims that at the time of the Crusades terrorized Christians and other enemies by secret murder committed under the influence of hashish
2 : a person who commits murder; especially : one who murders a politically important person either for hire or from fanatical motives
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Re: MeltyKola Boof? How did you come up with that name? I thought it was any Albanian person (Kola is ALSO a typical Alb first/last name)
Interesting though.
Anyway, what all Muslims are asking is WHY?
WHY insult us like this?
A Muslim protester holds a banner during a demonstration in front of the Danish embassy in Tel Aviv February 6, 2006. A peaceful protest took place in Tel Aviv on Monday demanding Denmark to apologise over the cartoons published in European newspapers depicting caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad. The banner reads in Arabic 'Prophet'.
REUTERS/Stringer
If you thought you had seen enough controversial pictures, then you have to click here and see how far the rights goo. (I bet this won't be happening in Alb lands)
Quote:We are all Danes now
By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | February 5, 2006
HINDUS CONSIDER it sacrilegious to eat meat from cows, so when a Danish supermarket ran a sale on beef and veal last fall, Hindus everywhere reacted with outrage. India recalled its ambassador to Copenhagen, and Danish flags were burned in Calcutta, Bombay, and Delhi. A Hindu mob in Sri Lanka severely beat two employees of a Danish-owned firm, and demonstrators in Nepal chanted: ''War on Denmark! Death to Denmark!"In many places, shops selling Dansk china or Lego toys were attacked by rioters, and two Danish embassies were firebombed.
It didn't happen, of course.
What are some Muslims writing?
Quote:Pressure must be brought on the countries such as Denmark that remain silent spectator to these disgraceful actions against a noble faith. In this context, the Muslim world can learn a lesson or two from India. When some French designers took their creative freedom too far printing the images of Hindu religious symbols and signs on footwear and lingerie, the South Asian country acted swiftly forcing French firms and authorities to withdraw the products and offer an unconditional apology. In Britain, the Sikh community stopped the staging of a play that mocked its clergy. The Muslim world needs to draw its lessons from these incidents.
How about this one:
Quote:Muslim governments should recall their ambassadors from Denmark and Norway and boycott their products after newspapers there published cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), said a Muslim scholar in Dubai.
"They are provocative cartoons that come from sick-minded, immature and irresponsible people," Dr Ahmad Abdul Aziz Al Haddad, Assistant Director of the Ifta' and Research Administration in the Dubai Department of Islamic Affairs and Awqaf, told Gulf News yesterday.
He called on Muslim governments to withdraw their ambassadors in Denmark as an act of "denunciation and rejection" of what had been published.
And I say: Well, if those who made those cartoons were immature, why act like them in response?
Hmm, what would Mohamed the Prophet do if he was alive? (?)
Some people might feel that the turban charicature might be related to the religiously/islamic inspired kamikazes who express their dedication in previously made videos or maybe related to the other extremists who beahead or kill indiscriminntely. Generalizing, isn't it, but with a tiny truth in it, or just misunderstanding?
Can I control Meltdown what he writes in this topic? He could have been a journalist or a newspaper editor somewhere in Europe ... Could any government stop what you really think?
But should a government put a limit on what you disrespect?
I can eddit Meltd, but he might find another forum to fully express what he feels. But it also matters if you put yourself in the boots of a Muslim and how afraid they are to even see how Mohamed (a historical figure) looked. But aren't you guys curious to see how your Prophet really looked? Ok, ok, I'm just asking and not requesting to become idolators!
Well, I'm probably treading in dangerous waters by now ....
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(2/8/06 4:12 am) Reply
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At least our country showed a good attitude.
Albania denounces violence against Denmark, Norway diplomatic missions - link
TIRANA, Albania -- Albania on Monday denounced as "intolerable" the attacks on the Danish and Norwegian diplomatic missions during protests against the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, the government said.
Albania is a predominantly Muslim nation with large Orthodox Christian and Roman Catholic minorities.
"Such acts of violence are intolerable, unjustifiable and in blatant opposition to the spirit of good understanding, tolerance and cooperation," according to a government statement.
The drawings of Prophet Muhammad -- including one depicting the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse -- have caused Muslim fury worldwide. Islamic law is interpreted to forbid any depiction of the Prophet Muhammad for fear they could lead to idolatry.
The caricatures originally published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten have since been republished in several European, New Zealand and Australian newspapers as a statement on behalf of a free press. (AP)
All about cartoons. A dozen of them. The dirty dozen.
If you thought it was over, you got to read about some Sweedes are doing (!)
A short but good article by indystar.com:
Quote:February 7, 2006
today's editorial
The big picture behind the turmoil
Our position: The upheaval over the Muhammad cartoons illustrates the wide gulf separating cultures and faiths.
Demonstrators killed in Afghanistan in clashes with police. The Danish mission set afire in Lebanon. Danish troops shot at in Iraq. Hundreds of protesters in combat with security forces in New Delhi and Gaza City.
Clearly, the publishing -- and then re-publishing -- of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad provided the spark for a rage with deep reserves of fuel across the Muslim world. Violent actions and deadly rhetoric put the torch to Western complacency about unfettered free speech. At the same time, this escalation of mass fervor into mob rule should remind those religious leaders who preach extremism that rhetorical violence begets violence.
Rioting and death threats make very little sense as rebuttals to depictions of one's religion as violent. At the same time, those who published the cartoons knew full well that any visual portrayal of Muhammad, much less a bomb-in-the-turban image, is an unequivocal provocation to Muslims. Was there a journalistic necessity to this exercise of press freedom, or was a stark insult presented to a populace that already feels like second-class citizens in the West, just to see what would happen?
Many Muslim leaders have beseeched their people to protest according to the faith's tenets of peacefulness, and to learn to live with the pangs of a pluralistic world. These moderate voices, however, also cry out for respect for all religions and for greater sensitivity by the press toward its role in a changing society.
Peace and forbearance would be easier to achieve if material life were better for Muslims, particularly the young and particularly in Europe. No doubt, the festering unemployment and isolation that exploded in rioting throughout France last fall likewise fed the flames of these recent days.
Bridging the divide between a functionally secular culture and a burgeoning faith community will take far more work than avoidance of offense, official apologies or pleas on behalf of freedom of expression. Distressing as it is, the current conflagration at least has illuminated that challenging truth.
Quote: Best-selling author and Muslim dissident Ibn Warraq argues that freedom of expression is our western heritage and we must defend it against attacks from totalitarian societies. If the west does not stand in solidarity with the Danish, he argues, then the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest.
The great British philosopher John Stuart Mill wrote in On Liberty, "Strange it is, that men should admit the validity of the arguments for free discussion, but object to their being 'pushed to an extreme'; not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case."
The cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten raise the most important question of our times: freedom of expression. Are we in the west going to cave into pressure from societies with a medieval mindset, or are we going to defend our most precious freedom -- freedom of expression, a freedom for which thousands of people sacrificed their lives?
A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.
Unless, we show some solidarity, unashamed, noisy, public solidarity with the Danish cartoonists, then the forces that are trying to impose on the Free West a totalitarian ideology will have won; the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest. Do not apologize.
When you thought that US was acting like the Swiss, there goes the support: Bush supports Denmark or the Prime minister?
I can see how some Muslims will start thinking bad about Bush now. Even you Brutus? Hmmm.
Tehran, 7 Feb. (AKI) - Iran has decided to rename Danish pastries "Mohammedan" pastry - a new twist in the crisis which has triggered protest by Muslims throughout the world against cartoons of Mohammed first published in Denmark. The name change recalls when some Americans started calling French fries, "Freedom fries" to protest France's opposition to the United States-led invasion of Iraq.
Iran has recalled its ambassador from Copenhagen, and on Tuesday announced a halt to all imports of Danish products. Demonstrators in Tehran on Tuesday attacked the Danish embassy with stones and petrol bombs, the second such assault in two days.
Denmark says it holds the Iranian authorities responsible for the embassy attacks.
A series of cartoons depicting the Prohet Mohammed published in a Danish daily in September has triggered protests throughout the Islamic world which in recent days have led to at least five deaths in Afghanistan, one in Lebanon and one in Somalia.
Islamic tradition explicitly prohibits images of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed.
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The new popular one? (someone made it up)
But not this one. Yep, Liberty fries (originated in Belgium in fact)
More pics on the religious guys in Peshawar, Pakistan (Feb 7 rally)
yeah, do they read?
Pakistani Christians chant slogans at a rally in Lahore, Pakistan to condemn the publication of cartoons depicting Prophet Muhammad in France and Denmark, Tuesday, Feb 7, 2006. (AP Photo/ K.M.Chaudary)
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