I'd rather have high oil prices than be trying to survive a nuclear winter thanks to the world not having the guts to stop a madman from creating a nuclear arsenal.
stverz
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:07 pm)
Re: Warmongers will be crying in 2004
I'd rather have alternative energy sources than this continual dependence on foreign oil supplies.
butcherofsatila
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:09 pm)
Re: Warmongers will be crying in 2004
This war is being pushed by a small group of neocons who are more concerned about Israel than the U.S. They have the American media to their advantage. They think that if they control the media and the politicians, they can control the people. But I think that in this case they bit off more than they can chew.
comparistl
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:12 pm)
Re: Warmongers will be crying in 2004
More than they could chew? Try, They bought a big gulp, ate a super size fries, downed a whopper and went on to demolish an entire dinner ala Henry the VIII. They are out of thier league in this. More people with die needless deaths from this war than both Nam and Pearl combined. For what? Can anyone answer that? They made claims of many things, nothing ever was proven, and what was found was more than likely planted. Anyone who buys into the lie that we need this war? I have some snake oil to sell you in the streets.
denraju
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:18 pm)
Re: Warmongers will be crying in 2004
What one has seen on 9/11 was only in New York. The entire country of Iraq was reduced to that state during 1991 gulf war! It is unfortunate, but there will be reprisals and it will be ordinary Americans who will pay the price! All those who are touting for war are sitting in ivory towers and nothing will touch them! They are all blessed people. It is an irony of fate that those who evaded draft during Vietnam war are so vociferous now to send thousands of youngmen in harm's way!
wun huang lo
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:21 pm)
Re: Warmongers will be crying in 2004
Sorry to inform you nimrod, that they have had plans all along. Remember the first WTC bombing? What was that a reprisal for? They aren't waiting for us to do something to come up with an excuse, they already have designs, plans and schemes. You are the oblivious one.
comparistl
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:23 pm)
Re: Warmongers will be crying in 2004
Yes, it will be innocent americans who will pay at the hands of the same people who insisted on the Gulf war. They are crazy, driven by greed and power and a desire to support the drug lords. You heard me right. Opiates anyone? This administration has hidden from the public thier ties to the drug trades in columbia, to cuba, General Electric who has funded and channeled money to and from the contras. But ya never hear about that? Media blackouts. PR Firms working overtime with huge budgets funded by drug and terrorist money. Folks, you all have been conned. The info on atta was planted. Isn't is funny how they could find passports from Him, when they could not even uncover bodies? Not too suspicious is it? Hello, wake up, you have been duped.
spgraf
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:28 pm)
France, Germany nearer to Iraq than U.S
If Saddam is really nuts, wouldn't France and Germany want him removed, given that they are much closer to Iraq, geographically, than we are? After all, they are part of "The West", and likely as vulnerable to attacks as the U.S.
Iraq is s broken country. It poses no threat to its neighbors. To invade a country that poses no active threat is against the UN charter. It is the type of thing Hitler did.
jewscontrolUS
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(1/25/03 5:31 pm)
ZionistJews Control Americas Govt&Media
Israel murdered 34 American Navy men, traitor and secret jew LBJ called back the planes sent to help : home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/
First of all they're full of BS about Hitler and Germany. See Dr. Arthur Butz Professor Northwestern University: pubweb.northwestern.edu/~abutz
Second, they're using their stupid lies to wage war against all non-jews in America and to promote their insane doomed multicultural downbreeding plan. See Dr. Kevin MacDonald Professor California State University: www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/Preface.htm
Censorship is so bad it extends to YAHOO (CEO is Jewish) that won't even permit the posting of scholars' websites on the problem (ZZZtheZZZbirdmanZZZZcom). Eliminate the ZZZ.
Elite Jewish War Against Gentiles - How 100% control of ALL media and government in Soviet Russia led to 60 million Christian deaths: www.jewwatch.com/jew-occu...-USSR.html
The Jews in Russia control the news and entertainment media, and with this media control they not only swing elections to whichever candidate best suits them, but they also keep most of the ordinary citizens distracted, confused, and hypnotized. www.natvan.com/free-speech/fs989d.html www.heretical.org.uk/misc...shies.html
Jew controlled Roosevelt lied about Pearl Harbor foreknowledge and knowing allowed the treasonous murder of 3,000 American military men. www.geocities.com/Pentago...pearl.html
homeland
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:41 pm)
Bush plan exposed by Russia
Russia Military See U.S. Iraq Attack in Feb -Report
Wed Jan 22, 4:36 AM ET
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's armed forces have obtained information that the United States and its allies have already decided to launch military action in Iraq from mid-February, news agency Interfax said on Wednesday.
Iraqi children make victory signs during a protest in Baghdad January 23, 2003. Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said on Thursday there were no grounds at the moment to use force against Iraq. 'Russia believes that there are no grounds at the moment to use military force against Iraq,' Ivanov told reporters in Athens. (Faleh Kheiber/Reuters)
The agency's specialist military news wire AVN, quoting an unnamed high-ranking source in the Russian general staff, said U.S.-led operations would be launched once an attacking force of 150,000 had been assembled in the Gulf.
"According to the information we have, the operation is planned for the second half of February. The decision to launch it has been taken but not yet been made public," the source told the agency, which has generally authoritative contacts in the Russian military and political establishment.
The source added that the main aim of the war would be to secure control of Iraqi oilfields.
It was not indicated by what means the Russian military had obtained such information -- it was not clear if it had been acquired covertly by Russian intelligence services or by a direct tip-off from Washington, which would be keen to avoid any misunderstandings with Moscow if it does launch a war.
The United States says it is building up a force estimated to reach more than 150,000 by the end of next month. Britain is sending a further 30,000 troops. No other allies have come forward with significant military commitments so far and some, notably France, Germany and Russia are against rapid action.
"The military operation against Iraq will be conducted by a combination of means -- strikes will be from the air, land and sea. The war will be short, lasting about one month," the Russian source was quoted as saying.
The source added that the main aim of the operation was not so much to topple Iraqi President Saddam Hussein but to secure U.S. control over Iraqi oilfields.
"Hussein is the pretext. The real aim of the military action is control over Iraqi oil," he said.
Russia, together with France which is also a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, are cautioning against U.S action in Iraq now while U.N. arms inspectors are continuing to search for evidence of weapons of mass destruction there.
Russia has a major commercial interest in Iraqi oil and has made clear its eagerness to exploit Iraq's huge reserves once U.N. sanctions on Saddam are lifted.
jtfdotorg
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 5:51 pm)
No more Arab OIL
Every drop of oil that we import from Muslim terrorist regimes such as Saudi Arabia and Iran helps to finance the development of nuclear weapons that will someday murder millions of Americans. We should immediately open ANWR to oil drilling. The measure should be part of the budget reconciliation package, where it cannot be filibustered in the Senate. And the Bush Administration should immediately approve oil and gas exploration in Alaska's National Petroleum Reserve on at least 8.8 million acres. (For more information, please see the JTF.ORG web site.)
rivenburg
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 8:22 pm)
Re: No more Arab OIL
this is a bullshit stratagy unless you reform the entire oil industry and keep ALL American oil in the USA. As it is all oil from anywere in the FREE world goes on the open market. Our oil, their oil, it is just another commodity. Now just try and get the oil companies to keep all foriegn oil out of the US and all US oil here. Just try it. They are the big boys of the owrld, THEY will decide were the oil goes, not a president.
Messlover
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 8:24 pm)
same old @#%$ but different day
Everyday I come here and read opinions about what is going on in the middle east.There is a song by the group chicago, Does anyone really know what time it is, does anyone really care"
Do we american really care that alot of people are going to die, whether from conventional weapons or nuclear, and or chemical.
Do we really care about the muslims who hate the americans, do we really care??
just ask yourself these questions
this is the only planet we have to live where do we go from here if we destroy it with hatred
and greed?
gotubadboy
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 8:27 pm)
Iraq's Neighbors!?
Foreign ministers of the six countries — Turkey, Syria, Iran, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia — urged Iraq to "demonstrate a more active approach" in providing information on its weapons programs "in full conformity" with U.N. regulations.
However, Yakis and others said there was no discussion of urging Saddam to step down to spare his country from war.
All none DEMOCRATIC, including Israel.
All U.S. PUPETS.
All looking out for thier own SURVIVAL and power hold.
All are war criminals.
What could they advise Sadam.
enough B.S people, Just take out all of these S.O.B's and let the people in the middle east see tru democracy for a change.
Or just leave them alone and stop killing them in the name of national security.
acaseforpeace
Unregistered User
(1/25/03 8:50 pm)
WE MUST CREATE MUTUAL TRUST
Einstein was against the military altogether, as am I:
Poor Albert Einstein. How he must toss in his grave as the Bush administration preps the world for a peremptory strike on Iraq “to make the world secure and safe.”
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“Peace can never be secured by threats, but only by an honest attempt to create mutual trust.”
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In the last two decades of his life, Einstein was an indefatigable paladin for world peace. Militant nationalism he deemed the bane of civilization. As the sanguinary history of belligerents attests, wars rarely procure lasting peace. They customarily exacerbate enmities and perpetuate cycles of retributive violence. Typically, the motives for war are labyrinthine and morally opaque. Belligerents are prone to demonize the enemy and to invoke self-defense.
Recipient in 1948 of the One World Award, Einstein crusaded for a potent international organization to adjudicate all conflicts between nations. Comprising representatives from every constituent nation, the organization would be empowered by a constitution approved by all. The unequivocal support of the nuclear powers was essential to the viability of this world government.
So was the big stick. With nothing but paper bullets, the organization could be subverted by recalcitrant nations. All member nations were voluntarily to divest themselves of their armed forces and to contribute soldiers and weaponry to the organization. It alone would have the disposition of offensive weapons.
Nations would mutually inspect methods and installations for the production of weapons. They would freely exchange technical and scientific information with military ramifications.
Nationalism, Einstein maintained, breeds in citizens a propensity for aggression and a perilous assumption of moral superiority.
He reasoned thus: “So long as the individual state, despite its official condemnation of war, has to consider the possibility of engaging in war, it must influence and educate its citizens—and its youth in particular—in such a way that they can easily be converted into efficient soldiers in the event of war. Therefore it is compelled not only to cultivate a technical-military training and mentality but also to implant a spirit of national vanity in its people to secure their inner readiness for the outbreak of war.”
That kind of education, Einstein felt, undermines all efforts to establish moral authority for a supranational security organization.
Einstein encountered massive resistance in his adopted country. Many Americans in the ‘40s and ‘50s, as now, distrusted a world government, especially one invested with military might. They feared unscrupulous powermongers would bend it to their own malevolent wills and, in the process, undermine American interests at home and abroad. Stripped of its puissant firepower, the nation couldn’t protect itself from these forces for ill. We would lose our liberty, independence, prosperity, unfettered pursuit of happiness. We would no longer be a moral beacon to benighted lands.
Why, indeed, should America relinquish its geopolitical and economic hegemony by disarming itself?
Einstein had a simple—some will say simplistic—answer.
America seeks peace, does it not? “A person or a nation,” Einstein wrote, “can be considered peace loving only if it is ready to cede its military force to the international authorities and to renounce every attempt to achieve its interests abroad by the use of force. Peace can never be secured by threats, but only by an honest attempt to create mutual trust.”
Re: WE MUST CREATE MUTUAL TRUST
The CIA says it is over 75% likely that Saddam, about to be toppled, will authorize chemical and biological attacks on the US homeland. When we invade Iraq to depose Saddam, we lose the deterrent card.
The most powerful weapon that Saddam could use is easy to smuggle through security, easy to deliver because it is highly contagious, it is lethal, and there is general agreement that Saddam possesses this weapon. Furthermore, it is very likely that Saddam has obtained a "hotter" strain, which is more contagious and lethal than common smallpox. Finally, it is possible that Saddam has used recombinate DNA technology to create superpox from a formula published last year, which is vaccine resistent.
Quote:To understand how a strategic biological attack would affect the US, look up Dark Winter on the web. To illustrate: the CDC now says that a mosquito infected with the West Nile virus lays infected eggs, so the mosquitos are born infected. Furthermore, the virus has appeared in Mother's milk and our blood supply. Essencially, the West Nile virus has saturated our environment. A strategic biological attack would be an uncontrollable catastrophy. Internation trade would be disrupted, our economy would be ruined, and we would be quarantined inside our houses.
We will cause what we are invading to prevent. It is incredibly reckless to invade a country with an advanced biological weapons program. I know.
Quote:A Pan-Islamic Union? You have to be kidding!
The Arabs couldn't organize a birthday party together.
No offense to the Arabs but that's true to a large extent
Quote:The Alawiis of the Syrian regime will run to their costal and mountain strong-holds and will form an independent Alawii state with the help of Israel, obviously after they change some of their leadership.
Some people should think several times before they open their mouths. The Alawiis are already in full charge in Syria.
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giorgiosmousaios:
ahmak mongol benim antiturk bre yuvarlak teneke..anka-manka
taka-maklan..
Many people think we should just turn a blind eye towards Iraq, and let SoDamn Insane have his way with his people. Makes me wonder if these people know anything about the forms of torture used in Iraq.
That's right, SoDamn Insane uses torture to keep people afraid of him. This is not war propaganda, this is fact. It is well documented by the Iraqi regime AND by people who have made it out of Iraq alive.
For some reason, Saudi Arabia came to my mind. Gee, I wonder why?
Quote:GET A GRIP
I'd rather have high oil prices than be trying to survive a nuclear winter thanks to the world not having the guts to stop a madman from creating a nuclear arsenal.
FoxNews recruit.
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taka-maklan..
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