1993 Greek terrorist groups(founded from Greek ortodox epikefaleis Serafeim)enter in Albanian border and kill 8 soldiers in their sleep!........DO YOU HAVE SOMETHINK TO SAY ABOUT THAT?.............
Pyrros Moderator
Posts: 327
(12/10/03 1:09 pm) Reply
Re: GREEK TERRORIST FOUNDET BY ORTODOX CHURCH
In case this incident is fictious (and it probably is)
then you are dreaming.
Albos used to smash albo border guards heads
with stones in order to enter greece.
Thats your quality.
Maybe some incident like these was
"refactored" by albos as usual.
Kaoni99 Moderator
Posts: 247
(12/10/03 3:16 pm) Reply
terror...
I don't know what Albs did when entering Greece and probably they have done terrible things, but what Bato said is 100% true...
It was a small repart in Peshkepi (nt too far from Vlora) and we have two survivors...In 1993...I am not sure whether the victims were 8 or 5, but it was a terrorist attack fully qualifiable as such.
And of course, besides the fact that the attackers spoke Greek and wear Greek army kamuflages nothing can be declared about who sent or supported them...
I think, sad day as it is, this is an important date for the discussion "Whose nationalism caused the other's".
In 1993 we were too poor to know what natinalism was...
shpata Moderator
Posts: 1370
(12/10/03 3:52 pm) Reply
terroristos
in 1993 greece terrorist come from border......
.....kill alb soldiers.......and terrorise peaceful albs
greece wanted war.....but we peaceful people...
we negotiate peace......because we civilise.
i think i was able to communicate with arhistos this time.
Re: terroristos
Greece wanted war with albania? Ugh. Your daydreaming
The last thing that greece wants is war. This has been the hellenic policy since the civil war.
Kaoni99 Moderator
Posts: 248
(12/10/03 9:11 pm) Reply
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I doubt whether the ones who sent those guys in Greek kamo were the Greek army or espionage...
Well, at that time you had qirie Pangalos, and from him one should expect everything... (btw, I've heard that he might be of Pontian origin, anything true about that?
Most probably it was some radical nationalistic org, but the fact remains that that happened...
shpata Moderator
Posts: 1374
(12/10/03 11:05 pm) Reply
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Quote:Greece wanted war with albania? Ugh. Your daydreaming
no im not, i was being arhistos. if you dont understand than i cant help you.
When Albania has interrior problem
In that times Albania had interriors problems..
So easy to do Alb gov that action and blame
exteriors..That is old one trick it dont works
any more..Argentina also has try to keep peoples
attention in falclands ..Turkey also in Egean sea
so..they tryd to keep ur attencion out and not
in ur misery.. That act is from Albanian hands..
NOT FROM GREEK! We are not BARBARS..
PARADOX
I have facts they was founded by Greek ortodox hierarxeis SERAFIM in that time.He was called HOT HEAD from Greek church.All the allbanians in the south remember the greek airplanes(provocations)wich they throw maps in Saranda,Tepelena wich they show the greek border in Shkumbini river.And the Greek goverment knew that but was to weak behind the church!Dont forget the war pact from the Greek state with Albania was withraw only four years before.Before that de facto Greece was in the war with Albania.????
in Greek parliament there is not any priest!
Are u muslime one and u hate the Orthodoxes priests..
sutch elements us u ..
That priest has spoke in Hotsas time for all Albanians
in inernational conferences..
And now you blaim hem..
If Greece had any demances..There is the Contras
style to do it..But only for sivile writes he spokes..
And from Albanias provocates we know verry well..
So in Northern Epirus must Albania to give the full
writes to Greek minority..This moment they dont know
even the exact population of Greek minority????
Also between you Albanians if any body ask it
comes out varius numbers 2%3%4%5%6%7%8%
and from the Greek minority9-12% is very funey..
And u call ur country sivilise..ha ha..there in
Strasburg is some organisations Albania is in black list ..
Try at list to have some electrisity to worm your self there is coming a hard winter..in summer u had only
10h per day electrisity winter ???so let the provocations..Priest just spokes for ur sivil writes..
Greece dont need ur developed place..Just cares
for the Greek minority of Albania nothing more..
So over that zone Greece dont cares at all..
Kaoni99 Moderator
Posts: 252
(12/11/03 9:28 pm) Reply
Ahristos...
Full rights to minority?
They are recognized as a minority.
They have schooling in Greek.
They have their own political party.
What do you want more?
Vibrators gratis?
You say you are civilized?
You will be only when you give Albs (400.000) the same rights.
Re: Autonomy of Vorio Epirus
Albs u must know when GREECE speak this moment about Greek minority in Vorio Epirus that means not only the Southern part completely Albania will be taken by Greece in the visor about Greek minority in Albania whether the north the south west and the east. All Albania will checked out and spied with Satellite
it is only one asks the time with the Autonomy of Vorio Epirus
and that will come in such a way without doubt.
after the latter report speaks the Greek secret service about 1.350.000 Greeks in Albania.
Greece had before never dispute opposite its neighboring countries raised however since 1997 after the KOSOVO WAR some changed.
Just to let you know, Pangalos is not a Pontian. In fact, he is an Arvanite from Eleusina. He comes from a very old and influential family (i'm surprised that you are not ware of this) His grandfather was a General and subsequently a Dicatator in the 1920's. He has never hidden his Arvanite origins. He's a complex character, very nationalistic, stubborn and extremely reckless - typical Arvanite. At times he has been very pro-Serbian, yet during the Odyssea Tsenai flag controversy, he came out passionately in support of the boy.
Regards.
Re: megali idea is in kosovo today..
AAdmin Russian Origin????????
SABAS In the Kyrili Alphapet B becomes W
From a Greek name which was derived from Hebrew saba meaning "old man". Saints bearing this name include a 4th-century Gothic martyr, a 5th-century Cappadocian hermit, and a 12th-century archbishop of Serbia who is the patron saint of that country.
O AGIOS NIKOLAOS PARAXONH
---KAI H SABA SABANONH--- Edited by: Kartadolofonos at: 12/12/03 3:20 am
Re:
The Greek ultra-nationalists or whatever you want to call them confuse or twist the minority issue in Albania. Albania during its communist regime recognized I think only about 2-3% of its population is a minority. But that was only to the benefit of the greeks, since Hoxha only recognized them as a minority. The actual minority is I think higher, but those others were considered as "cultural minorities" and were dubbed Albanians, and herein lies the confusion. It is true that if we count all the number of minorities the number is higher than 2-3 % in Albania, and this was just done by the German embassy in Albania who went and documented the percentage of the minorities. The greek ultra-nationalists try to claim that all the other minorities such as Gypsies, Vlachs, Turks, Macedonians etc are greek, but in fact they are not. But it has been confirmed that the greeks right now are only about 50-60 thousand in Albania.
In my opinion, a new study should be done, or a new census from the Albanian government with collaboration from EU(without members from Greece), US or other impartial international organization for us to see the real number, so that all the minorities rights should be protected. This should be done at least every 5 years for the next couple of decades so that there isn't any misunderstanding.
Kaoni99 Moderator
Posts: 255
(12/12/03 7:42 am) Reply
Spartan and Karidolophonos...
Spartan,
I knew that Pangalos is from an old family and he might have Alb origin, but I didn't want to add more names to the disputed list (Alexander, Konstantin...)
In fact I should, it would be really funny watching people killing each other for the origin of Pangalos.
I am sorry to include the name of Karidolophonos in this post that I intentionally meant for you, but I can't let him go.
1.350.000 Greeks in Albania?
That would be the combined population of Vlora, Saranda, Gjirokastra, Delvina, Erseka, Korca, Berat, Fier, Lushnja and Skrapar. Practically the whole South.
Are you sure this scientific result didn't come from the representatives of the Greek secret services in Mars?
Or from that buzuki round the corner?
Yeah, the place where the barmen puts some coca in the ouzo...
He better go easier next time...
Or the Greek secret services will raise the bar to 2.500.000.
That is correct
When there is a Greek minority..
and the population is unnown..between2%and12%???
It makes problems..So finaly better is to Albanian gov
with international recornised organisations to give out
the true numbers of ethnic Greek minority..So that
way Greece begens to trust Albanians..Todays
situration is comic..Goverment gives Hoxas true??
and minority says others..There is the Problem!
now if Kaoni unterstant it is ok if not..that is against
human richits.there is articel of ethnisity ,religions
freedoms..ect..The first one is now in question..
So if Albania some times, or in near future counts with assistance of
intepented organisations The Greek minority..
For Greek state is exeptible..No problems at all..
shpata Moderator
Posts: 1379
(12/12/03 8:02 am) Reply
wait
the people from a country which claims 98% GREEK is telling us that our numbers look bogus???
again i advice you to go to history channel online and buy the video "coming home alive".
there you will see the reality in south albania. fuk even saranda doesnt have a greek majority. all those angry crouds in the streets were albanian shouting in albanian. i wonder why would the crowd be albanian if they are living in greek majority area??
i mean the goverment has lost control, no army and its the albanians uprising with weapons? where is the opressed greek minority, why didnt they claim vorio epirus republic? again only when a greek army invades albania theres a vorio epirus republic declared.
do u need the Greek army for to give humans righits
No u need a occupation to give ethnisity to Albanias
Greek population..
Or u need food aid from greece..us in kosova..
Tell it strait..The only one Greece wonts is
one true intepentent count..of Greek minority..Ethnical
intentity is a part of human..
GREEK TERRORIST FOUNDET BY ORTODOX CHURCH
(btw, I've heard that he might be of Pontian origin, anything true about that?
PARADOX
Re: Autonomy of Vorio Epirus
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