shpata Moderator
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(6/29/03 3:11 am) Reply
Re: the forum
thats what history says. ali was a albanian officer. he is even rumored to have send aid to the pasha of shkodra when he tryed to be independent from turkey.
if the tour leader was so ashamed that his nation was founded by a small people such albs, that thats their problem.
it should be noted that ali invaded egypt(retook it back from napolian) with 10,000 alb merceneries.
Tirane Moderator
Posts: 540
(6/29/03 5:24 am) Reply
Re: the forum
that's ironical..!
Turks should have a lough with this.
Albanians who worked for turkey rather than Albania. Muhamet Ali is the one who massacred greek peloponesians...
He hasnt done any history apart of being an worthy turkish pasha.
This is not albanians history...(unless Turk=albanian)
shpata Moderator
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(6/29/03 5:29 am) Reply
re
youre completely wrong. he asnt a turk. he was an alb. an he didnt contribute to alb history, but neither to turkey. he startd that of modern egypt, he broke away fro turkey and even had wars with(taking more lands away from th ottomans until the west interfered).
and he didnt massacered greeks. his son(ibrahim) did.
Tirane Moderator
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(6/29/03 5:35 am) Reply
Re: re
yeah Ibrhim sent bu whom?
He did work for albania? you must be having another big lough!
Conflicts within ottoman empire have usual even within sultan families that doesnt mean they werent turks.
Muhamet Ali is just e perfect example as how "albanians" were in process of becoming fully turks...
yah they were Albos...
whats this argument about? and yes it was ibrahim that killed the peloponesians, not ali.
They were Albanians, as even king Farouk of Egypt(in the 40's) was conscious of being from Albanian origins.
By old Balkan standards they were "turks" for being muslim, but not really turks in modern sense
shpata Moderator
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(6/29/03 5:51 am) Reply
reali sent him
to help the ottomans quell rebellion. i dont think he ordered the massacares. such actions can be blamed at ibrahim not ali. ali wasnt there personally to give th orders.
and im sorry, but egypt wasnt part of turkey anymore. a new chapter in history began (a chapter thats not part of the ottoman one). a chapter started by an albanian. thats what makes me proud, not believing that he did anything for albs, because he really didnt.
Tirane Moderator
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(6/29/03 5:53 am) Reply
Re: yah they were Albos...
tilei
look at the article of Kaplan Resuli!
He will clarify later on another mystery of the name Shqiptar, translated wrongly as Albanian in a way that has created much cnfusion.
Dr. Kaplan Resuli says that Osman means Eagle for turks, and they were calling themselves as such in pride. Using Eagle as a national name pride might have come first from Ottoman among occupied albanians, who were wishing to imitate their masters pride. So they changed from albanians into Shqiptars.
In that sense a shqiptar, as you say, is rightly an turk created nationality.
Aims of Tiranit is not your problem to find tirane's problem or aims. Take this off your mind!
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One thing he fails to understand, is that no country is homogenous. Usually, one element goes out victorious assimilating the others.
In the case of Ireland it was the celtic element.
In Albania it was the illyric!
But what makes you a serb? I mean what´s significiant with Serbia? What´s the difference between serbs and croats? Isnt the term "serb" more religious than ethnical?
Because if a serb becomes catholic he is "croatian", but if he is orthodox, he is "serb". That mean that the serbs were united by orthodoxy, thus "serb" was originally a religious term, or religious-political term.
Edited by: Tirane at: 6/29/03 6:08 am
shpata Moderator
Posts: 655
(6/29/03 6:08 am) Reply
re
for a person who posts allot and look forward to gain support from the greeks, at least show know the names of the people youre trying to convert. tilei hanst been posting in here.
and about Dr. kaplan, do you have a photo of him??? he claims to have been skined 10 times. i dont think thats possible. the skin wont grow back ten times, or if it was put back together, again the tissues wont connect again, especially after 10 times.
so he must be a skinless person. please provide a photo(s), please.
Tirane Moderator
Posts: 545
(6/29/03 6:14 am) Reply
Re: re
Shpate
few weeks ago i called a prominet figure of those who have been for decades in the prisons invented from laberia type of communism.
He came out of the prison worst than Auschwitz very aged, but miraculously has lived till now in a healthy way much better than E. hoxha in his last days!
That doesnt mean he has had a better life.
If you want you can check wherever you want. why should I sort out all of your questions?
shpata Moderator
Posts: 657
(6/29/03 6:21 am) Reply
why??
because you want us to trust you.
Tirane Moderator
Posts: 546
(6/29/03 6:43 am) Reply
Re: why??
in ten minutes time I finish my shift.
it was a pleasure to talk to during work, as time go quick.
ps: next please!
shpata Moderator
Posts: 658
(6/29/03 6:55 am) Reply
no problem
jashte teme
Edited by: AlbElena at: 7/1/03 1:02 am
shpata Moderator
Posts: 660
(6/29/03 7:08 am) Reply
never mind the photo
i found dr. kaplan hiding inside the pyramids of egypt.
there he is........
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I am sure, Dr. Kaplan Resuli looks far better thatn even your father...
he is alive...
if you dont believe me...
bring us the picture of your father in here and I will bring the one of Kaplan Resuli, and you will see the change.
your Meco and Feco are not!
Edited by: Tirane at: 7/1/03 11:59 am
Tirane Moderator
Posts: 549
(6/30/03 12:51 pm) Reply
Re: never mind the photo
AlbElena
dont ever do that again, unless you want to start something serious with these intervetions.
What do you think, this little lab gango can offend someone massacred from the real butchers of Balkan...like his kinsmen are? Edited by: Tirane at: 7/1/03 11:56 am
Shpata, maybe you can....
..... find us some heiroglyphics in those pyramids and tell us the life of that dead mummy
Since ancient Egyptians and Albanians speak the same language.
Novody needs to convert me Shpata, im my own person with the facts. Dont get me involved in your stupid posts. I thought you were a decent Albanian. Things are changing I guess.
anthropological lesson
Also I need to remind you that if albos are so slavic/Vlachian, I believe many of us would show traces of this slavism/vlachism.
Vlachs and macedonians are primarly brunet in pigmentation and dolychephalic thus atlanto-mediterranean. Of course someacedonians are brachycephalic (like albos) but they are only numerous in Western Macedonia were they´ve mixed with albos, only there they are true brachycephals!
Toscs, if slavic(vlachs would of attained strong cases of dolychephaly and brunet tendency? But the majorotiy of toscs are brachycephals and intermediate in pigmentation (neither blonde nor brunet). Thus, if a majority of toscs (or even significiant number) of slavs were "albanianized", some major racial traits would of been left, like dolychephaly or atleast mesocephaly (mixture between brachycephaly and dolychephaly, hence the name). But there is no significiant number of tosc dolychephals or mesocephals, they form a insignificiant minority (if there at all).
Of course some Vlachs are brachycephalic, but they´re mixed with albos since ideal Vlachs are dolychephalic and brunet like Luctor!
Or maybe they were forced to change their head lenght because of Enver Hoxha?
Luctor Registered User
Posts: 30
(7/1/03 1:27 am) Reply
HEHE
Slavs are mostly BRACHIOCEPHALIC Batics(like most Poles,Russians or Slovenes).Others are Nordic(of corded type),DOLICHOCEPHALIC,blondes like Baltics.
Mediteranian proper are Dolichocephalic brunettes,short stature,sometimes olive skinned.Atlanto-Mediteranian are taller version of mediteranians,whith light skin(often pale).First HUMAN settlers in Balkans were of mediteranian race.
Montenegro and not Albania is CORE and CENTER of Dinarics in Balkans.Other place is HERZEGOVINA.
Lots of Albanians are ARMENOID(hook nosed),which is evidence of their origin(we all know from where).
Albanians are Armenoid-Dinaric(specially in northern Albania).
Blond Albanians from Kosovo are from slavic origin.
But we can see Armenoid look in Ibrahim Rugova and others...
Armenoids are brachiocephalic.
Some are even blond armenoid.
Toscs are mostly Dinaric-Mediteranian,mostly Albanized Greeks and Aromanians.
Illyrians were BOTH Dinaric and Mediteranian.
Actually most Illyrians where Dinarcized Meds.
No quite true
Albanians are dinaric, not armenoid as you stated. If they were armenoids, Carleton S Coon (whom knew the difference) would of stated it.
I was not talking about regular slavs, I was talking of the macedonians and bulgarians. Taking in mind that slavic topoynms are bulgarian, we might conclude those early slavs were macedonians/bulgarians. Coon has prooven that majority of macedonians and bugarians are dolychephalic and brunet in pigmentation. Thereofre, if they were present in Albania, they must of left some traces in skull shape.
Ghegs are dinairc (not armenoid) rea Coon. Toscs are also mostly dinaric with alpine minority (meds are insignificiant).
The blonde kosovars dont need to come from a slavic source. Blonde illyrians have been recorded since ancient times, skulls with obvious nordic traits.
Illyrians were mainly Dinaric and Nordic (the latter evolving into Noric due to mixture).
Luctor Registered User
Posts: 33
(7/1/03 4:22 am) Reply
next
You forgot to say that Coon says that early Illyrians where dolichocephalic.
And most of population of central Serbia are NORIC and DINARIC.
Racial variations of Kosovo Albanians are same as in Serbia(racial evidence of their Serbian origin),plus hooked nosed formes,so tipical for shiptars.
yah they were Albos...
no problem
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