Aromanians, Wlachs in Albania...

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Tirane Moderator Posts: 544 (6/29/03 6:06 am) Reply	Re: re Again: it shows perfectly a presence vlach that includes all known orthodox areas of today albania.Why? And moreover they are places where vlachs contributed in the most fampous metropoles, like voskopoja etc..
Dijedon Amicus Posts: 679 (6/29/03 6:10 am) Reply	So what So what? Please tell us your motives with this Vlach thing? The very fact that most orthodox are albos show that Vlachs were overwhelmed numerically by albos!
shpata Moderator Posts: 656 (6/29/03 6:16 am) Reply	re why?? because vlach would settle among other orthodox populations. they would not dare to settle in skrapar. though its mountains (a place vlach love), its mostly muslim. same thing with laberia, and they would not try to settle among labs(the most tribal people in the south who are very territorial). so they passed through the platous and valleys where the tribal type of albies no longer existed. funny, ill scan this map on day. it shows kingdom of epirus ariund 1260 i think. the western part of th kingdom starting from korca area into northern greek macedonia is labeled as albanian. its clearly known that thse albanians of kastoria left and settled on the outskirts of athens and became arvanities. can you pleas find any vlachs among them??
Dijedon Amicus Posts: 700 (6/30/03 10:06 pm) Reply	btw Also I need to remind you that if albos are so slavic/Vlachian, I believe many of us would show traces of this slavism/vlachism. Vlachs and macedonians are primarly brunet in pigmentation and dolychephalic thus atlanto-mediterranean. Of course many macedonians are brachycephalic (like albos) but they are only numerous in Western Macedonia were they´ve mixed with albos. Toscs, if slavic(vlachs would of attained strong cases of dolychephaly and brunet tendency? But the majorotiy of toscs are brachycephals and intermediate in pigmentation (neither blonde nor brunet). Thus, if a majority of toscs (or even significiant number) of slavs were "albanianized", some major racial traits would of been left, like dolychephaly or atleast mesocephaly (mixture between brachycephaly and dolychephaly, hence the name). But there is no significiant number of tosc dolychephals or mesocephals, they form a insignificiant minority (if there at all). Of course some Vlachs are brachycephalic, but they´re mixed with albos since ideal Vlachs are dolychephalic and brunet like Luctor! Or maybe they were forced to change their head lenght because of Enver Hoxha?
AlbElena Moderator Posts: 245 (7/1/03 1:59 am) Reply	Re: Aromanians, Wlachs in Albania... *Quote:* ps I have noticed that those who are albanized Vlachs, who were formerly slavicized or hellenized, are very soft people (probably because they have been all time unprotected and obliged to survive under other rulers)...and I call them usually who are also my friends with albanian cosy-words...."lepurush", or "dele".... but it's very interesting to see how much they are albanized, in the sense that they really think they have been albanians forever.... one of these types of soft people is AlbElena in this forum (although doesnt belong to my albanized Vlach friends)! 1)How did I get involved? 2)How can you say with so much certainty "albanized Vlachs, who were formerly slavicized or hellenized"? How the hell did these people "Albanians" who didn't even exist, ever get to form a nation? What would force the slavs/greeks to assimilate into Albanians? When did the Albanians ever make forceful ethnic assimilations and where are these Albanian ethnic assimilations recorded in the history (like teh attempted assimilations of greeks and slavs who still continue nowadays for example)? 3) What would these greeks/slavs like from these nation of scumbags "the Albanians" so that they would be assimilated so massively into them? I thought they had their own grand history and traditions... weren't they enough for them? ------------------------------------------------------------ Vlach physical characteristics: rather shorter than Albanians, kinda darker, wide brown eyes. Of course they have mixed with the Albanian Orthodox population which they have peacefully coexisted with for ages and ages. That doesn't mean Albanian Orthodox = Vlach like some are trying to put it. What is the purpose of all these ongoing discussions about the Vlachs populations in Albania? To conclude that all Albanian Orthodoxs are Vlachs? To discriminate against Vlachs? To discriminate against Orthodox Albanians? Ha ha ha, ha ha, ha! Get a life people... it's summer. The sun is shining and the beach is waiting for you.
Tirane Moderator Posts: 557 (7/1/03 11:53 am) Reply	Re: Aromanians, Wlachs in Albania... The funniest thing with you is that you really think that you are responding in a proper way some scholars specialized in those fields. Read the article and you will get the answers of what you question in defiance!
Snoopy Mex Registered User Posts: 17 (8/17/03 1:20 am) Reply	a Actualy the Aromanilor do not call themselves "Vlax", that's why I had the idea that Aromanians and Vlach are two different peoples. The terms are confusing because gypsies (Romany) also call their language "Romany Vlax" in Romania. So what's the distinction between these groups, who are the Vlach originaly?
guest Unregistered User (8/17/03 10:18 am) Reply	in a nutshell.. *Quote:* The terms are confusing because gypsies (Romany) also call their language "Romany Vlax" in Romania. So what's the distinction between these groups, who are the Vlach originaly? 1) Gypsy/Tsigani (call themselves 'Romani' which is unacceptable for Europe since they have no relations with ancient Romans WHATSOEVER while in India they can call themselves Saxons if they desire) are Indian/Hindu nomads by origin and arrived in Balkans less than a millennium ago. So they are Hindus. 2) Vlachs are indigenous latinized Balkan populations that lived and live in Illyria and the modern states and nations that came of them such as Albania or slavonied Illyrian states such as Serbia or Croatia (where majority of people are in effect slavonized Vlachs while Vlachs constituted big portion of say Montenegro and Hercegovina until 16 century AD when they were more or less fully slavonized), Vlachs also live in Macedonia, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania. All these Vlachs are not necessarily related to each other directly since they are as I said indigenous latinized Balkan populations. They were called Vlachs (they called themselves Romans just like Byzantines called themselves as well) by invaders such as Slavs and Germanics.
lati Moderator Posts: 17 (8/18/03 6:43 pm) Reply	3 ... and 3: Vlachs, Valachs, Wallachians are ROMANIANS from south of the Danube.
iron21man Instigator! Posts: 91 (6/10/05 1:12 am) Reply	Re: Look Shapta there are also places in Albania where half of the population is Moslem Albanian and the othe r half Vlach, so your point that they settled only on orthodox albanian places is not valid.
iron21man Instigator! Posts: 91 (6/10/05 1:15 am) Reply	Re: in a nutshell.. AlbElena, mosmje gje vajza e Eli Fares ti me?

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