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Why Vllach of Albania (have very little in albo forum) claim that Vllach dont have any relations to Romanians?, They say that Romanians make propaganda over Vllach, They claim that Vllach are diffierent people from Romanians.
It's true that most, but not all Balkan Vlachs do not identify with Romanians. Certainly the history of the past one thousand years or so has separated them. Even the common Latin influence may have been on disparate peoples, such as Illyrians versus Dacians. Nevertheless the language of the Balkan Vlachs is close to that of Romanians, as well as many of their traditions.
In modern nation states, which actively emphasize assimilation of 'foreign' groups, it takes great courage and perseverance to maintain 'otherness'. Nobody wants to be different.
Do you need more to see that romanian and (a)romanian are actually two offshoots of the same eastern romance spoken up until the 7-8 centuries AD in Dacia and in the Central and Eastern Balkans?
The aromanian language is a dialect. It's relationship with daco-romanian is obvious and can not be denied...
The aromanians themselves have developed a specific culture, thusly they are not exactly the same as daco-romanians, but their language is with little practice intelligible to all romanians.
So aromanians are in relation with romanians a linguistic brother, but culturaly they are more enrooted in the Balkans... That's why aromanians in Romania have the status of cultural minority, not an ethnic one.
"La Valea di Ianina
De'una feata ma plandzea..."
The first two lyrics of the aromanian song about Ali pasha's battles and burnings against them... He succeded in burning Moscopolea, unfortunately, which was evolving into the capital of the aromanian community.
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(3/4/06 6:03 am) Reply
hmm
Quote:And wtf, am I the only pure Albanian in here
I would rather have the chance of having Aromanian, or even Greek "mixed blood" then like you, who comes from a slavic country. You even speak it. Whats up now Iliri?
Po car tregon "pure", qi mundesh te shkosh ne forum arian? Si ty?
Quote:I would rather have the chance of having Aromanian, or even Greek "mixed blood" then like you, who comes from a slavic country. You even speak it. Whats up now Iliri?
Po car tregon "pure", qi mundesh te shkosh ne forum arian? Si ty?
I come from a "slavic" country but at least I am PURE ALBANIAN, not like you...you come from Albania and you aren't even HALF Albanian! What's up now Meltdown?
Ilir...in most likelyhood...the Albanians of Macedonia are more mixed than those of Albania.
And how do you know you'r "pure" anything?? I don't have the slightest idea whether I am "pure" Albanian...or if in some point in time in my family's history SOMEONE may have been from another ethnicity or mixed with another ethnicity. You can't know these things. You'r telling me that you KNOW for a FACT that 1000 years ago someone from your family didn't marry a Slav or a Vlach or a Greek??
These things did happen...whether we like to admitt it or not...It happened far less with Albanians than it happened with other people in the Balkans...but it certainly happened...in the course of 1000 years.
And yes of course Aromanian is related to Romanian...with some borrowings or syntactical changes through Albanian or maybe Slavic or Greek in some dialect of Aromanian. And we boroughed words from them no doubt...as did Slavs and Greeks.
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Re: hmm DOKTORI
Ahristo maby your church called us like that but you are hell mix with turko-arabians racelly.we are called turks from sneakys like your counrty priests because albanians were mouslims and that's all amigo.
like this greek guys up here is half of greec my friend
Re: hmm DOKTORI
Mendor do yourself a favor and read Kapedanis post above.
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(3/4/06 7:16 pm) Reply
Re: hmm DOKTORIMendor do yourself a favor and read Kapedanis post above.
I am sure Kapedani meant mixture with our neighbours. A 1,000 yrs ago, there were barely any Turks in the Balkans, let alone in our lands. The Ottoman colonization of Balkan lands was restricted to Bulgaria and Thrace - the westernmost & northernmost colony beeing parts of modern FYROM. Our lands, as most of Greece, were free from Turkish colonization.
The term of which Axristo speaks of has nothing to do with us allegedly beeing partially Turkish, which we aren't, but a reference to the heterogenous composition of the forces that were set out to crush the Greek rebellion of the 1820s. But I guess it is far more simple and easy for a man like axristo and his intellect to take things literally instead of reflecting a little.
Mixtures with Vlachs, Greeks and Slavs, on the other hand, was probably not smth absent in the past when nationalism as we know it, did not exist and religion was more iimportant. But most of us, if mixed, are so way back, because I cannot recall foreign blood in my genealogy for seven generations back ... beyond that, I do not know anything.
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My grandfather was a vlach, but he didn't speak it. All I know is some words like 'kum esti gjini?' or llai draku. But my great grand mother spoke it very well. By the way my grandfather was from gora region near pogradec.
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(3/4/06 7:48 pm) Reply
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Your maternal or paternal greatgrandfather Suliot?
Most Vlachs in our territories seem to have been assimilated. In the southern territories they have preserved their identity longer, but in our northern territories, incl. Kosova, they have 'vanished' either through migration or/and assimilation. The only trace left are anmes of places or surnames, like Vllahi, Vllasi, Vllasaliu etc.
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(3/5/06 12:32 am) Reply
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I always read.....pure albanian....pah....iliri you would perfectly fit somewhere in Breslau or Danzig......or Warsawa whatever....you pure alb...
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