Quote:And how do you know you'r "pure" anything?? I don't have the slightest idea whether I am "pure" Albanian...or if in some point in time in my family's history SOMEONE may have been from another ethnicity or mixed with another ethnicity. You can't know these things. You'r telling me that you KNOW for a FACT that 1000 years ago someone from your family didn't marry a Slav or a Vlach or a Greek??
These things did happen...whether we like to admitt it or not...It happened far less with Albanians than it happened with other people in the Balkans...but it certainly happened...in the course of 1000 years.
And yes of course Aromanian is related to Romanian...with some borrowings or syntactical changes through Albanian or maybe Slavic or Greek in some dialect of Aromanian. And we boroughed words from them no doubt...as did Slavs and Greeks.
What happened 1000 years ago I don't know and don't care, because all those generations of INTERMIXING made me even purer...Let's say someone is 50% alb 50% greek, and he marries a Alb, the kid is going to be 75% Alb 25% Greek, then that kid keeps on mixing with albs and eventually the "Greek" side will dissapear, but there still will be some kind of a mark which doesn;t even matter because it will be small as HELL!
So IF in ancient times some of my family tree mixed, (which I am sure everybody DID then I don't care coz today I am 1000% Albanian)
I know that for the last 500 years we have not mixed with others heavily since we lived tribal and intermarrying was VERY common in the Albanian lands....
+ Originally I am not from Macedonia Kapedani...my family (my grandparents on both sides come from the Kolonja region)
Quote:let's say someone is 50% alb 50% greek, and he marries a Alb, the kid is going to be 75% Alb 25% Greek, then that kid keeps on mixing with albs and eventually the "Greek" side will dissapear.
why not 75% greek and 25 % alb....give me one good reason....what are you waitng for...
Tell me you didn' t make the above statement...tell me it was slip up..tell me your were joking.....
If not..you need some proffessinal help..fast...like I told someone else...maybe you need to visit Vienna....like right now...
Quote:why not 75% greek and 25 % alb....give me one good reason....what are you waitng for...
Dont be stupid greek race doesnt exist.Greek means orthodox,religion not a race.You for example are albanian in blood but greek in mentality.That's what Greec is.
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(3/5/06 11:55 am) Reply
Re: .Did he imply that Dig? NO he didn't but you always feel you have to play daddy cool....
Not playing daddy nor stating that Kasto' implied that .. just feel that it is hyppocritical for Greeks to accuse other nations of claiming homogenous descent. Why? Because Greek too have many times tried to minimize the impact of foreign blood and contribution into the composition and creation of what was to become modern Greece. Vlachs for instance, are claimed to be "Romanized Hellenes" - just see Kartadolofonos' 1,000 articles dealing with this.
7 generations of pureness..hmmmm? Yet you have the audacity to make a remark at Kastor like that...
Where did you see me use the term 'pure'? If I cannot recall any foreign blood in my genealogy, should I lie to please you and Kasto? LOL! I do not deny that mixtures happened before, but as far as I know, and that is seven generations back, I do not have foreign blood in me. Beyond that, everything is speculation, but also irrelevant, because it is conciousness which really matters.
Quote:Dont be stupid greek race doesnt exist.Greek means orthodox,religion not a race.You for example are albanian in blood but greek in mentality.That's what Greec is
I think you guys have forgotten that you are albanians...hello....are you still there?
One of the reasons I even read what some of you guys write it's because I have a sick predilection for the unsavory and untoward nonsense that goes on here....
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(3/5/06 7:11 pm) Reply
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Quote:Not playing daddy nor stating that Kasto' implied that .. just feel that it is hyppocritical for Greeks to accuse other nations of claiming homogenous descent. Why? Because Greek too have many times tried to minimize the impact of foreign blood and contribution into the composition and creation of what was to become modern Greece. Vlachs for instance, are claimed to be "Romanized Hellenes" - just see Kartadolofonos' 1,000 articles dealing with this.
I was hypocritical? you are not fair dije...its just funny to see.....how little kid iliri....and mendor....are trying to convince us of their own purity with the same means.....as kartadolofonos os trying to prove the greek peoples purity.....after all Im sure all three of them must have a common origin...I cant explain it otherwise...
Quote:Iliri is just trying to erode his well known greek ancestry......
Sorry I'm not a mud, turko mixed, I am white, so there is NO possibility for me to be Greek therefore Turk, probably some of my ancestors were ancient "Hellens" (Not Greek), but that's all gone...and as far as I can trace my family there are no non-Albanians there, so yeah
Quote:Your maternal or paternal greatgrandfather Suliot?
My maternal grandfather, my maternal grandmother was a suliote, whereas my paternal grandpa and grandma were from the korca region, from bellovoda and boboshtica respectively.
Re: .
First of all...I didn't mean anything about Turks. Greeks are relly scared of Turks so they see Turks everywhere. Must be some Freudian penile syndrome of some sort...I don't know and don't care...so lets ignore the BS of some members here please. Why do you guys even dignify them with a response?? Ignore them...they go away.
There is no pure anything...not in South Albania...not in North Albania...not anywhere in the world. At SOME point in time...there was mixing to some degree. Ilir...you'r VERy wrong. Intermarrying was very much NOT common in fact...they wouldn't marry someone from the same tribe for 6-7 generations back...they wouldn't marry anyone from another tibe if they were in the slightest way related to them even nominally for many generations back. Therefore...they had to marry from tribes and families they had no relations to whatsoever at all...which often meant...they also had to marry women from other ethnic groups which may have been nearby them. And this happened plenty of times and was common.
Some of the greatest Albanian patriots...have been of Vlach ethnicity.
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(3/6/06 3:29 am) Reply
hmm
Quote: come from a "slavic" country but at least I am PURE ALBANIAN, not like you...you come from Albania and you aren't even HALF Albanian! What's up now Meltdown?
Even if you were 100% Albanian, the language you post in makes me thinkg your 3/4 jevg. Jo Jo, I jus disd u, y don u snuff me playa...
Pure Alb? How? You have two parents whos Alb natives and have Alb as their primary language? In that way, Im 100% Alb too....
Quote:Some of the greatest Albanian patriots...have been of Vlach ethnicity.
Like who? Don't listen to the Greek propaganda...YOu probably have some vlach in you so that's why you say that...there is NO evidence that ANY of the Albanian patriots were vlachs, that's just made up by people like you!
Quote:Even if you were 100% Albanian, the language you post in makes me thinkg your 3/4 jevg. Jo Jo, I jus disd u, y don u snuff me playa...
Pure Alb? How? You have two parents whos Alb natives and have Alb as their primary language? In that way, Im 100% Alb too....
Grow up child...
I'm 1000% Albanian by blood, not just by being natives and speaking Albanian! ...and what you just said goes against anything you said in the past, hint hint "Skenderbe"!
And sorry I don't live in New York...I don't talk like that because I don't live in a ghetto like you...I live in a rich neighborhood, my girlfriend is the daughter of the owners of the steel factory in America...My cousins all have high profile jobs here in the U.S. and back home...I don't know who you are talking too, but if you called a 100% Albanian a non-Albanian let's see what's gonna happen to you...Just because you are ignored by the real Albanians and can't seem to fit in with the group that makes you angry, and start saying shiit about Albanians...Go join Resuli and other non-Albanians in destroying my race...Or become like "Tirane"
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(3/6/06 6:42 am) Reply
Re: hmm
If you want to impress us on the 10000.. % "pureness" you better give us any extended family tree Ilir.
The so called "purity" is a divisive element which only separates Albanians and send them to the arms of the ... Greeks? Even in Greece, part of Vlachs are even more nationalistic that the ones who call themselves "pure Greeks".
Is that what you want? Tell the others that you are not Albanian because I am more than you by blood. We have to learn by the Greeks & hellenism and realize that we are not a pure nation either. But in encyclopedias it is also says that Albs are the most homogenous people in the Balkans. (we continue to mix too)
Historically Vlachs have been an importonat component to form the Alb, Greek and other Balkan nations. It is said that had Vlachs had a national hero, higher identity conscience, been more organized etc etc, there could have been a Vlachia country in the Balkans today.
We should feel good that Vlachs of Albania call themselves Albanians and I'm not going to play "purity" games with them, but be happy that they will work & think for the same nation we belong. Historically, those with Vlach mix have also contributed a lot to the Alb cause and have shown to be patriots.
Re: hmm
I am not saying that there aren't mixed people, I'm and just saying that I am full blooded Albanian...I know that my ancestors have mixed, but as far as I can trace my family tree there are no non-Albanians, and that still doesn't mean that my ancestors haven't mixed...So I don't know what are you trying to prove here, but lets change the topic!
Re: hmm
Eshte c'menduri ketu me disa femije.Vllahet e shqipris edhe po ti vesh plumbin ne ball prap se prap do te thone qe jam shqiptar e ca femij ketu i hedhin posht duke u then qe jan vllah ose grek ndersa ne rastin qe me mijra shqiptar te paster deri ne palce mohojn veten e tyre dhe thon qe jan greke ne i mbajme afer e u lepijme bythen.Jo ore kush ndihet shqiptar eshte shqiptar e vllahet ndihen shqiptar.
Nje vllah qe njoh u lidh para 3 vjetesh ne Greqi me nje Gjermane dhe i mesoi asaj shqipen ne me pak se 1 vit.
I ndalonte fanatikisht asaj ti fliste ose ti shkruante mesazhe ne anglisht.Hajde hajde e mos i thuaj shqiptar ketij pastaj.
Re: hmm
Fakte eshte qe ne Kosove dhe Maqedoni shqiptaret jane ma te paster, por kuptohet se ne ballkan ka pas perzierje mes etnive por shqiptaret me se paku jane perzi....kurse vllahet jane asimilu me shumice si ne Maqedoni (qe kane qene mbi 80.000 ne vitin 1912 e tash jane 14.000) si Greqi,Bulgari, Serbi ashtu edhe ne Jug te Shqiperise.
Kurse ne Kosove ska pas asnjehere vllah, ata vllah qe kane qene ne Maqedoni jane shkri me sllavomaqedont edhe per ate shume shpejte sllavet dulen dominant ne Iliride (Maqedoni) me popullsi.
Por shqiptaret jane me te paster po ti krahasojme me gjithe etnite te Ballkanit
Vllach claim that are mix Illyrian-Dacian-Roma
Edited by: AlbanianTriology at: 3/6/06 1:55 pm
Re: .
at: 3/6/06 6:17 am
Even in Greece, part of Vlachs are even more nationalistic that the ones who call themselves "pure Greeks".
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