Spanky Serb
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(7/4/02 4:54 pm) Reply
ha ha
You incompetent imbecile...
Just because you repeat yourself many times doesn't make what you say any truer.
Other than Croats and Albanians, no one on earth hates us. Ask any Bulgarian, Romanian, Hungarian, they will tell you we have never been anything but a perfect neighbor. Ask anyone from any western european country which was allied with us during WWI or WWII, they will tell you were were a loyal ally.
Just because you Ustashe hate us doesn't mean everyone else does. Serbia will enter the European Union soon whether you like it or not and there's really nothing you can do about it, so deal with it.
Spanky Serb
hahahhahah, you poor idiot, lying yourself doesn't make things change, but who cares go ahead dream on, 'cose you serbs have nothing else left except dreams...
oh and hey, you forgot something...
You forgot to tell me I'm an albanian impersonator like you tell that to anyone else who tells the truth in here about you scum hahahahahhah, hahahahaha
Viva Croatia
hmm...
...and the greeks hate the turks and the turks hate the greeks, french people maybe do hate germans, most people dont like the americans blablablabla..its the same old story...have i to disslike for exmpl the turks? i look back:more than 400 jears of slavery .why have i to hate someone for something that happened 500 jears ago? is this fair? both sides made and make mistakes...
think..if you really want to hate someone..hate the politicians in our countries not the people they live in....
they(politicians) dont give a f... u know. all about they care : money drugs weapons etc. and if u think deeper u 'll c... we do as they wish.
i am sure, american politicians like this situation....they allways wanted the Balkans this way...bloody divided.
and.."www"...i do not hate serbs and i do not hate croatians either...i just hate this f... situation.
kresina Registered User
Posts: 9
(2/28/03 10:58 am) Reply
Re: ha ha
For your information Albanians do not hate serbs. We do not hate anybody, we just feel sorry for you satanic people. You killed enough innocent Bosnians and Kosovar Albanians and many others. You even call yourselfs christian. If i were
a serb i would lower my head and keep my mouth shut.
No no Itchie...
The albanians of Albania, don't hate you because they don't know your real nature. But the albanians in Kosova hate you beyond any boundaries. Don't forget that. It's the way it is and it's the way it will always be.
You understand, we albanians and you don't have anything in common. Now when your closest brothers, (the croats and bosnians) hate you, who can blame them, you can imagine how much more the albanians of Kosova HATE you.
Re: No no Itchie...
I wasn't aware you spoke for all Albanians, but even if what you say is true, it's your loss not ours.
Until Albanians start thinking of people as individuals and not as "Serbs" or "Albanians", they will remain what they are today: The poorest, corruptest, backwardsest people in Europe.
But don't you see
It is isolation and intolerance of others which is primarily responsible for Albaniains being poor. Why do you think Albanians in Serbia had much more money than those in Albania (at least they did before Yugoslavia broke up)? It's because isolation is not possible in today's world.
I see very well
Dude, there are some basic rules in nature. One of them is that albanians and serbs cannot live together. Albanians can live together with almost everybody else except for the serbs.
See, we (in kosova) don't want to isolate ourselfs from the outside world. We just don't want to have anything to do with you.
I just found this forum, and the topics in here are very interesting. Albanians, serbiens.... bla bla bla.
Why cant we have pace in this world. Why cant we learn to live together....
hehehehehehe
F**k that, who the f#¤% wants pace, I want revenge.
As we KOSOVA Albanians say, the only good "shkije" serbs, are the one that are dead .
Just look what they did to there President..
Hohohohohohohoh
Re: Make love not war
soon shiptar a one way ticket to ur allah first class at the top of those mosqes in macedonia and kosovo,we will launch u all strait to him since u love and would die for him heheheheh
SO VERBA VO BOG MAKEDONIJA DO GROB
V-M-R-O
Can you please tell us about your pre-entering Balkans time.
What were you doing back in Russia? Who were your ancestors and so on?
While we all try to concentrate about Balkans there is so little information about your past. We know starting from the 3rd century up to the 9th century you completed the migrating to Balkans.
We are curious to know about the time before your migration.
Thanks,
Edited by: ISKANDERAZEM at: 4/16/03 9:48:44 am
To itchie
If u really make a research and if really have some economic knowledge u will notice that the 2004 Serbia is more poor than Albania 2004. The Albania GDP per capita is $4400 while the Serbian GDP per capita is $2200. The Serbian economy growth 4%, while Albania one over 7%. It is true that Albania is a relatively poor country according to European standards but Serbian is even poorer. Moreover Albania is going better and better but otherwise can be said in Serbia case. I want to state that is nothing wrong being a country with low income, the wrong part is only in people who never see themselves in the mirror and realize who they are and only after you can give opinions on the others. Discover yourself and than judge the other. And if you really want to know which country is more corrupted Albania or Serbia-Montenegro, I can say that the transparency level in Albania is higher which means that Albania is less corrupted than Serbia-Montenegro. And according to intolerance who started the Balkan War in 1990?
Quote:The appearance of Proto-Bulgarians with their mighty army and long experience in how-to-build-a-state actually saved Balkan Slavs from Byzantium assimilation. A large part of the Balkan Slavs together with Romanized Thracians were easily incorporated into Bulgarian State and they became Bulgarians. The existing at that time common Slavic language was promoted by the Proto-Bulgarian ruling elite to become the base for Church Slavonic language (The official language of Danube Bulgaria).
This is absolutely true.
Mradu1 Registered User
Posts: 1
(3/19/04 6:11 pm) Reply
@#%$ YOU @#%$
Zwykły z ciebie matkojebca cioto. Szanuj narody które mają kilka tysięcy lat historii. ponadto polecam przeczytać zawartość tej strony (read this, @#%$!): www.polska.prezes.com
@#%$ YOU, @#%$!
Re: Some Slavic History, to: Illyrian the free
For the beginning of you education I would suggest you to read this fragment from The Paleolithic Continuity Theory (PCT) on Indo-European origins, by Mario Alinei…
(e) The totally absurd thesis of the so called ‘late arrival’ of the Slavs in Europe must be replaced by the scenario of Slavic continuity from Paleolithic, and the demographic growth and geographic expansion of the Slavs can be explained, much more realistically, by the extraordinary success, continuity and stability of the Neolithic cultures of South-Eastern Europe (the only ones in Europe that caused the formation of tells) (Alinei 2000, fc.b)
Re: Dalmacia is not serbian!! TO LAZARETI
Hey Lazareti, Man-Neman, brate-nebrate reci mi odakle si, mislim iz kog dela danasnje hrvatske, jer znas pravi hrvati jedino se radjaju u pravoj hrvatskoj (Zagreb, Krizevci i Varazdin). Sve ostalo hegemoni kajkavci oteli su Srbima.
Hire is lesson to you:
Population of: Dalmatia, Dubrovnik, Lika, Banija, Kordun, Slavonia, Baranja (all in today`s Croatia), Istria (in today`s Croatia and Slovenia), Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Malesija (North Albania), Kumanovo (North Macedonia)- are Serbian population.
There were/are Serbs who were/are Catholics. And I don`t point on Serbs who become Catholics by force. I point on Serbs who were old Catholics from the moment when catholicism appeared in history.
Nobleman’s from region of Croatia (three towns- Zagreb, Krizevci and Varazdin) expand their influence (with German/Austrian support and using Ottoman occupation of crucial Serbian regions) and with time declare all Catholic Serbs as Croats.
Some Catholic Serbs were brutally forced to accept Croatian identity, some were assimilated with time and some were simply proclaimed as Croats when Austro-Hungaria annexed Bosnia and Herzegovina, Dubrovnik, great deal of Dalmatia and Slavonia.
Later, Croatian ustashe committed mass genocide on Orthodox Serbs, converts some Orthodox into Catholics and expel some of them from their land.
So, Greater Croatia- puppet German state was created and exists even today using fear and hate for her fundaments.
If we look on the events in Montenegro we understand, that Greater Croatia continues to expand. I starting to believe that existence of Croatian state and expansionism of its pro-German concept represent eternal and ultimate threat for existence of Serbian nation.
Fragments from few links:
D. Mrkich, on the base of Nikola Tesla biography...
``Lika is, according to its territory and population, large, and is made up of only Serbs, or if you like, of Serbs and Croats, of Orthodox and Catholic faith. In Lika, there are more Serbs of Orthodox than of Roman Catholic faith.``
Serbian Territories within the Boundaries of the former SR of Croatia
``When one observes and analyses adequate historical and other sources, ethnic maps and statistics before World War I, between the two World Wars and the post-war period, one notices that the Serbs live on a continuous territory within the boundaries of the former SR Croatia, precisely from the close environs of Zadar, Biograd, and Sibenik across the regions of Ravni Koran, Bukovica, the Knin region, the greater part of Lika, Kordun and Banija to the Sava river in the region of Pounje. The Krajina covers most of this territory. This is the vastest Serbian area in the former Croatia.``
Relationship Towards Serbian Monuments in Konavle, by Djordje Capin
``When Konavle came under the rule of Austria in 1815 began a systematic action of denationalization and uprooting of ancient Serbian customs and destroying or remodeling of Serbian monuments. The action had lasted until the fall of Austria-Hungary in 1918 and continued with more intensity during the short rule of "NDH" (independent state of Croatia) and after during the communist Socialist Republic of Croatia in the former SFR Yugoslavia. All the time until the beginning of Austro-Hungarian annexation and even later the term "Croatia" or "Croatian" is completely unknown in the region of Konavle. Not until the second half of the nineteenth century when all Roman-Catholics who spoke Serbian language were announced Croatians gradually they began to declare themselves under the pressure of authorities and Church as Croats.``
ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF SLAV CULTURES ON THE EASTERN ADRIATIC COAST IN MEDIEVAL TIMES
Translated from Serbian by Jelena Stojicevic
1st International Conference on Succesion of Adriatic Sea & on Borders Inside Former Yugoslavia, Belgrade, September 2003
``Epistles of Pope George I (590-604) indicate that the Slavs lived in the vicinity of Salona in the 600s AD and that they were penetrating Italy.(1) Paul Deacon (720-797AD) noted Slav conflicts with Langobards in Northern Italy, and the Slav attack on the Langobard Benevent in 662.(2) Written sources from the 10th century contain data related to earlier centuries; these are facts from the work De administrando imperio of czar Constantine VII Porphiorgenitus (DAI)(3) and Historia Salonitana Maior of Thomas the Archdeacon.(4) These scriptures contain stories about the Slavs on the Adriatic. Serbs were allowed to inhabit Dalmatia by czar Iraklije (610-641); it was noted that the Croats inhabited this region during the lifetime of the same czar, but before the Serbs, which has not been confirmed by archeological sources. The Serbs were baptized then by Roman priests.``
And then…
`` Apart from indisputably Croatian traits, which had not been recorded in Dalmatia before and which had a characteristic Franc influence, these cemeteries contain traits of previously settled Slavs, including Serbs (pottery).(14)
This layer of society was clearly differentiated in Istria, and there are no archeological cites characteristic of Croats from that period.(15)``
"In Dubrovnik, the main language ever since the olden days was Serbian which was spoken by commoners, as well as by nobles - in the households, as well as in the municipal administration", wrote the Croatian historian Natko Nodilo.
Natko Nodilo was, along with Franjo Rački, the founder of Croatian history. He was characterized by his loyalty to truth. Nodilo made conclusions only when he knew that the sources were trustworthy and he did not give in to pressures of Croatian statesmen of 19th century who wanted the academics to adapt their works to "historical proofs" of Croatian presence (linguistically and nationally) in the various regions. These regions included Dalmatia, Slavonia, Srem (a region just north-west of Belgrade), Lika, Kordun, Banija, Herzegovina, Bosnia, Baranja and Dubrovnik.
Natko Nodilo proved his loyalty to the truth in his work "Prvi ljetopisci i davna historiografija dubrovačka" (The First Chroniclers and Early Historiography of Dubrovnik - JAZU, Zagreb, 1883. notebook 65, pages 92-128 where he stated the next: "In Dubrovnik, the main language ever since the olden days was Serbian which was spoken by commoners, as well as by nobles - in the households, as well as in the municipal administration and Serbian was a language used in judicial matters as well."
Nodilo was correct, although we cannot find anyone in Croatia today who would dare support this statement of his. If it was admitted that the inhabitants of Dubrovnik were Serbian Catholics, all foundations of official Croatian history would be destroyed, and with that the claim of "historical right" of Croatian state to rule this city inhabited by Serbs and their cultural patrimony.
Dubrovnik's documents reveal that the official language of the Republic was Latin, but besides Latin, there is also a domestic language sometimes mentioned as Serbian, sometimes Illyrian, sometimes Slavic and Vlach but never Croatian.
The fact that the inhabitants of Dubrovnik were Roman Catholics, like Croats, does not tell us anything about how related they were. The issue is the nature of expanding Catholicism in Serbian lands; on the Adriatic coast, as well as in its background. For that, we can be thankful to the domination of Vatican, Venice, Hungary, and Austria in this part of Balkan Peninsula. We do not know whether anyone thoroughly studied the historical phenomenon that only Serbs were forbidden from practicing Catholicism!
This would be an attractive and important study due to the fact that the Catholics of Dalmatia, Slavonia, Herzegovina, Bosnia, Dubrovnik and other Serbian regions, saw themselves as Serbs up until the first decades of 20th century. They all became "Croats" over time and now there are not any among them who identify with Serbian nation.
The Institutions of Catholic Church would not have succeeded in converting the Serbian populations to Catholicism, and then to Croatianize them if they did not have the help of the above mentioned Catholic states: with pressure and privileges, and also through educational, cultural and informational activities. These states would, in order to turn the Catholic and Orthodox Serbs into Croats, use raw military and police power which reached its peak during both world wars when these efforts were helped even by Germany. The populace of Dubrovnik resisted being labeled as Croats for a long time because they simply did not want to conform to such a conversion only because they were Catholics. After all, many Germans, Italians, Spaniards, French and other nations are also Catholics but nobody would dare to call them Croats!
The populace of Dubrovnik did not allow itself to lose its national identity just because of religion. They fought for Serbdom publicly – with literature, education, printing press, as well as by activities with various societal organizations. They did that even though they had Vatican against them, as well as Venetian, Hungarian, Austrian, German and Croatian governments; in each period they resisted one or more of these mentioned governments – sometimes many at once.
There is an interesting example of an attempt to Croatianize the populace of Dubrovnik not so long ago – in 1901. The Croatian statesmen worked for that goal years before this attempt. Among others, they had their eyes on the “Institute of Saint Geronimo“ in Rome, which was established and financed by Dubrovnik’s Serbs. Pope Leo XIII was convinced that the inhabitants of Dubrovnik were (in the beginning of 20th century) ready to be initiated into Croatdom, and so by his order the above mentioned Institute was renamed into “Croatian Institute of Saint Geronimo“.
The Catholics of Dubrovnik intensely protested against this decision of Pope Leo XIII. The Pope backed off. At the time, he feared the longer-lasting controversy in further discussion about the essence of Serbdom and Croatdom, as well as Orthodoxy and Catholicism. He sent a letter of apology to Dubrovnik’s Catholics informing them that the word “Croatian“ would be taken out of the name of the Institute. Even after the apology, Pope feared that a public discussion about the nationality and language of Dubrovnik’s inhabitants might develop and so he addressed them as “Catholic Serbs“ in a telegram sent to them in 1903.
The letter and telegram of Pope Leo XIII sent to the city of Dubrovnik was published in the Serbian publication “Dubrovnik“, but those publications were sought out and destroyed by Croatian government, and so there is a question whether there are any other copies of this publication left besides those in the Vatican’s archives.
The Croatianization of Dubrovnik’s Serbs and Serbs from other regions was often done by theft of, among other things, lyric and heroic national songs which were gathered by Catholic Serbs, and even by Catholic priests. Those songs were published by “Croatian Motherland“ as “Croatian National Songs“. This behavior of “Croatian Motherland“ editors inspired a Dubrovnik Catholic (Serb) Lujo Vojinovic, the brother of poet Ivo Vojinovic, to respond in Serbian publication “Dubrovnik“ (1897, number 35) with sharp criticism of “Motherland’s“ actions, prophetically claiming the disapperance of Catholic Serbs, because of Croatian genocide to be committed against them. He ends his article with these words:
“Serbs over the Drina River! And that codeword is blindly listened to and it will be listened to until the final day which must come, a final day when a great cataclysm will destroy all the artistic fences, or... or, ohh, destroy the final bastions of Serbian national culture and that is when the Croats will be satisfied!
Herostrates (the one who set fire to Artemis’ temple in Ephes) will mention Cliomuses the protector of history.“
``Boscovich was born in Dubrovnik (Dalmatia, present-day Croatia), an independent republic at the time, as the seventh child of Nikola Bošković, a trader from Herzegovina; and Paula Bettera, daughter of a local noble. The family was Catholic as Nikola converted to Catholicism to marry Paula. Rudjer Boscovich's ethnicity is a controversial issue; he has Italian heritage from his mother's side, while his Slavic heritage is disputed between the Croats who claim him due to the integration of Dubrovnik in the Croatian milieu, and the Serbs who claim him due to his father's reported descent from the noble Pokrajčić family from the village of Orahov Do in lower Herzegovina. Nikola, his father, went to Novi Pazar (modern Serbia, Serbia and Montenegro) not long after Ruggero's birth, where he spent the last years of his life.``
When Rudjer/Ruggero was ten, his father died. In his fifteenth year, after passing through the usual elementary studies, he entered the Society of Jesus. On completing his novitiate, which was spent at Rome, he studied mathematics and physics at the Collegio Romano; and so brilliant was his progress in these sciences that in 1740 he was appointed professor of mathematics in the college.``
When we proved that Dubrovnik was Serbian there is no debt that Rudjer Boskovic was also Serbian. That is logic, not to mention that we have even concrete proofs and traces for that.
Freedom for old Catholic Serbs!!! Why they can`t be Serbs and Catholics in the same time!!! Give them democratic process, facts and then referendum!!! Stop cultural violance on them!!!
Rights for Serbs who were forcible converted to Catholicism!!!
Let Bosniaks and Mulims become again Christian Serbs- no matter Orthodox or Catholic. Let they saves themselves from Islam!!!
Let Vatican support liberation of Serbian nation and let Serbian Orthodox Church stop to declare Serbs who are of different religion then Orthodox, as non-Serbs!!!
Let Serbs in Montenegro get democratic rights, not that Albanians and Muslims decide for them and not that mafioso regime brainwash them!!!
Freedom for Serbs no matter on Catholic or Orthodox provenience/background!!!
Down with croatian/kajkavska/zagreb hegemony!!!
Down with shiptar/mujahedin/ustashe alliance against Serbs!!!
ha ha
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Make love not war
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