Albanian Partizans in World War 2.
Hey guys im wondering if anyone can give me information on Albanian Communist Partisans from World War 2. Links, sources and any information is good for me. Im looking to read up on their philosiphies, their battles, leaders ect.
Anything really.
Re: Albanian Partizans in World War 2.
28,000 Albanian partisans died...some 60,000 Italian and German soldiers were killed or captured.
We treated our enemy very nicely...when Italy surrendered and German troops moved in...Italian soldiers deserted on mass to the Albanian Partisans...where we welcomed them even though they had been our enemies just days before. Italian Partisans formed the Antoni Gramsci Brigade...named after the famous Arberesh communist in Italy. They later went on to Italy and one member of that Brigade killed Mussolini...and later send the gun that killed Mussolini to Albania as gratitude to the Albanians.
Some German soldiers also deserted...forming a unit of German soldiers with the Albanian Partisans.
I have some photos from the victory parade in Tirana in 1944...where the commander of the Italian troops also paraded as did the commander of this German unit. I don't have a scanner though so I can't show you the pictures...they'r from a wartime publication.
20,000 more Albanian Partisans operated in Kosova...independently of Tito's Partisans...and collaborated with 60,000 more Albanian Partisans from Albania who came to Kosova after 1944 to liberate that area...and eventually go as deep as Bosnia.
Albanian Partisans also operated in Greece...in Cameria...under command of the Greek communist Partisans...but were betrayed by the Greek communists in 1945 when they allowed Zerva's monarchist forces to come into Cameria and ethnically cleanse the area.
I don't really know much about the battles they undertook...but some were major. I know there were still some destroyed German tanks in the streets of Tirana into the 1960s!!...they were kept there as memorials
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"Azem pishtari, hajdari i demokracis!"
Sali Berisha ne miting.
"Keni me pas kompjuter n cdo dhom jo pentium dy e tre por pes!"
-Dr.Rrumpalla, qyteti "Studenti"
"Jam shum i gzue qe po marr pjes nhidherimin tuej"
- Dr. Rrumpalla
Sali! Enver! Jemi Gati Kurdohere!
O Sali, ill i karvanit,
shpetimtari i vatanit;
o Sali, ill i pashuar
ne gjith' boten i degjuar!
Lumturi neve na solle,
ka armiqte na shpetove,
planet ua shkaterrove,
neper plehra i hodhe.
Rrofsh, Sali, me gjith' PD-ne,
Lumturi per Shqiperine!
Me PD-ne dhe Saline
jemi gati kurdohere
Shqiperin' ta zbukurojme,
demokracine te ndertojme.
O Sali, ill i vertete,
te na rrosh njemile vjet!
ASDS
i DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH AS TO OFFICIAL NUMBERS. bUT JUST WHAT MY GRAND FATHER TOLD ME.
He was in the VIIth brigade and went on the mountains when he was 15. Taken by Neshat Hysi a commisar at the time who later in the commnist party became one of the biggest generals. To the albanians this may remind a little of partizani i vogel velo, as my grand father did the same as him went to the partizans when his dead died to meat the commisar.
He was shot by italians in the neck but after 43 he had italians in his brigade, which confirms what kapedani said.
Also he was part of the soldiers sent to yugosllavia to liberate Kosovo, he went into serbia also back then we were in good relations with tito.
One thing that i have to say about the albanian partisans that has not been said is that: They were never helped by anyone. Not by russia , not by the other allied forces. It was all started with two people and grew on, first fighting with old one shot guns until they killed and got the enemies weapons.
Quote:He was in the VIIth brigade and went on the mountains when he was 15.
That's nothing man my granddaddy was 12 when he joined up, by 18 he was already a captain in the southern border...kicked some greek ass in 49.....grrrrrrrrrrrrr. I also had a partisan grandmother.
But please, guys, whatever you do don't be posting pictures of our partisans, the montengrins will come talking how their's are much taller.
PARTISAN Moderator
Posts: 858
(2/28/06 10:18 am) Reply
Re: ASDS
Yeah we were taller.
But anyways thnx for the Information guys. Another question ide like to ask. Are they still repected by the great majority of the population or have they been easily manipulated to believe they are scum like the Serbs have?
Re: ASDS
Of course we still respect them...we're not serbs...
Here's president Moisiu giving his respects at the monument of the fallen in Tirana(moisiu's father was a Partisan himself.)
here's some more monuments...
in memory of the konference of peza
Here you can find their descendants in Kosovo
Here is the cemetary of the Martyrs, dedicated to all those who died and faught against the fascists. Enver Hoxha was buried there until his body was exhumed in 1991.
Hope you enjoyed it
bato Moderator
Posts: 2737
(3/1/06 12:17 pm) Reply
Re: ASDS
Albanian Partisans Parading
lbanian Partisans in Tirana during Italian ocupation
Quote:Are they still repected by the great majority of the population or have they been easily manipulated to believe they are scum like the Serbs have?
Well PARTISAN,
you did get a comment from 2 well known commies in this forum!
Truth is that the partisans are well-respected, after all they died for the country, i cannot blame them for fighting for communism as they were hardly aware of what communism was. In fact even the old president Alia who was a young man around 20 during the war and was one the major activists of the party, not necessarily a fighter, was hardly aware of what leninist doctrine stood for and he has confessed this several times. Enver and some well-educated circle (a very small circle) knew it well and they had that Stalin's evil in mind when they made the call for "saving the country" but to the average partisan little did they show what was the real purpose.
The truth is that ours was not a fight for liberation but it was as Kadare, a well-known writer in albania, calls it: a dogfight! There were communists in one side and the royal forces in another and it became more of a civil war then a war against the occupiers. Of course the winners wrote history afterwards and declared the partisans the greatest heroes of all time...a title which to some extent they enjoy today and they will always enjoy because truth is they did die for the country, however they brought around an evil which they innocently believed to be good. So, a lot of people like me look at them objectively today...and it is, well let us say heroes.
Me qeverine socialiste ishim ne buze te gremines, me demokratet e beme nje hap perpara...ne gremine!!!
Quote:as they were hardly aware of what communism was. In fact even the old president Alia who was a young man around 20 during the war and was one the major activists of the party, not necessarily a fighter, was hardly aware of what leninist doctrine stood for and he has confessed this several times.
After calling Kapedani a communist, I doubt that you know what it stood for too.
Re: > Re: ASDS
He called me and you a communist...lol...so of course they don't know what it means either.
They'v called EVERYONE who isn't a crazed Berishian...a communist...so if they'r calling me that becasue of that definition...I'll gladly take their "insult" of being a communist.
Adonis...in EVERY country occupied by the Nazis were there was Partisans...there was always a civil war going on too. In every country...from France to Greece...it was more a battle between the Partisans and those collaborating with the Germans. In France they fought Vichy...in Yugoslavia they fought the Chetniks and SDS and Ustashe...in Greece they fought the monarchists...and in Albania they fough the Ballists.
This was the nature of Partisan warfare...its not something new of Albania.
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"Azem pishtari, hajdari i demokracis!"
Sali Berisha ne miting.
"Keni me pas kompjuter n cdo dhom jo pentium dy e tre por pes!"
-Dr.Rrumpalla, qyteti "Studenti"
"Jam shum i gzue qe po marr pjes nhidherimin tuej"
- Dr. Rrumpalla
Sali! Enver! Jemi Gati Kurdohere!
O Sali, ill i karvanit,
shpetimtari i vatanit;
o Sali, ill i pashuar
ne gjith' boten i degjuar!
Lumturi neve na solle,
ka armiqte na shpetove,
planet ua shkaterrove,
neper plehra i hodhe.
Rrofsh, Sali, me gjith' PD-ne,
Lumturi per Shqiperine!
Me PD-ne dhe Saline
jemi gati kurdohere
Shqiperin' ta zbukurojme,
demokracine te ndertojme.
O Sali, ill i vertete,
te na rrosh njemile vjet!
Kapo..I never read your posts....but this one caught my eye....and I spilled my afternoon coffee all over my pc screen from laughter...only one thought came to my mind....and lately it has been there often when I read some posts in here..and that is hallucinationary illusions of grander...
Kapo wrote... 28,000 Albanian partisans died...some 60,000 Italian and German soldiers were killed or captured.
We treated our enemy very nicely...when Italy surrendered and German troops moved in...Italian soldiers deserted on mass to the Albanian Partisans...where we welcomed them even though they had been our enemies just days before. Italian Partisans formed the Antoni Gramsci Brigade...named after the famous Arberesh communist in Italy. They later went on to Italy and one member of that Brigade killed Mussolini...and later send the gun that killed Mussolini to Albania as gratitude to the Albanians.
I am not even going to bother asking anything....for I already know your answers.....
So tough..yet so weak against a "ruthless Captain Kurt.(Zerva)..who operated on his own free will..with his own resources...
That's pretty much true, everybody hates Berisha and Nano.
Canaris, I didn't understand your post. The only reason we were so tough in albania was because we were the majority, you can't compare that to the cams.
Honorary Member XMod
Posts: 4524
(3/2/06 5:15 am) Reply
hmm
My grandfathers on both my sides studied in Korca and there became well learned in French. Afterwards they began massive studies on govt and ideologies of the time. Both ended up on different sides. My grandfather, fathers side, became a communist and managed to convert the whole family(in a Tirana cematery you will find old family names from that era with the title "Rio i Popullit", Hero of the People). While my grandfather on my mothers side sided with Zogu and was forced to flee to Greece. He was 18 and was one of the people escorting the Queen. He said he was welcomed by Metaxas and was allowed to stay, but his father forced him and the brigand back to Albania, but after the Communists took over all of them died and he barely managed. While my other grandfather became a leader of two regiments of partisans.
Quote:Kapo..I never read your posts....but this one caught my eye....and I spilled my afternoon coffee all over my pc screen from laughter...only one thought came to my mind....and lately it has been there often when I read some posts in here..and that is hallucinationary illusions of grander...
For some reason I don't get the above quote...its greek to me, but I guess that makes sense since Canaris is greek too...
"The Balkans is a group of small countries. Each one proves Einstein wrong: the universe ends at their border."
Re: > Re: ASDS
You know why Italy surrenderd..but no one has the cohones to admit it....and it had nothing to do with Albania..in fact Albania helped them.
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