Quote:I am an albanian orthodox and it concerns me when a greek or a russian or a serb or whatever runs my church( even though i am not too religious).
ohhh - trhats news. d you go to church ?
on theological differences what is the difference between albanian orthodox church and greek church?
in the hieararchy of the orthodox church as far as i know it is allowed to be from any country (the country is not the important issues - the important fact is if one observes and believes in orthodoxy -
i know for a fact that in the middle east all the high hieararch of the orthodox church are greeks. these are people who have dedicated their life to serving other people and God.
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Iknow it is not him but it is him who gives directions to everyone of his Co to delete stuff that harms him or his views if written in english.
coz he comes here posts garbage and acts albanian, does not know that his stinky serbian mentality can be seen very clearly.
Quote:Iknow it is not him but it is him who gives directions to everyone of his Co to delete stuff that harms him or his views if written in english.
Djalo rri urt se ta banirati at shkije bythen.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Tradition tells that the Luma tribe had a chief in the fourteenth century called Lek Kapetan.
Re: hmm
Suart the manipulator is asking where his post went and I would have liked to see what you wrote.
But, you continue to show your Muslim "love" and "objectivity" in the Turkish sf.
Here the chronology, comment the stupid crap that some HIGH Greek clergy have done against the Alb interests.
And what the heck did Janullatos do to stop the ugly "broom operations" of the Greek Government, just because the Alb government expelled the bishop he/Janullatos invited from Greece.
Anyway, Janullatos is generally a good guy, especially recently, but Albania is not yet so strong when it deals with the Greek intervention in religious matters of the Alb AUTOCEPHALOUS matters.
WCC slams Israel's refusal to recognize Greek patriarch
By GEORGE CONGER
The World Council of Churches (WCC) in Geneva has demanded Israel withdraw its backing of Irineos I and acknowledge Theophilos III as the leader of the Greek Orthodox church in Jerusalem.
Israel's continued support for the "duly deposed former patriarch, now monk, Irineos," was "tantamount to interference by the state in the affairs of the church," WCC general secretary Samuel Kobia wrote in a September 29 letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
The leader of the ecumenical organization called for "remedial action at the long delay by the government in recognizing... Theophilos III as the head of the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem."
It is the Greek Orthodox "Holy Synod, not the government of Israel, which determines who is the legitimate leader of that church" Kobia said.
Elected patriarch in 2001 with the backing of the Greek government and church officials, Irineos fell afoul of the bishops of the Jerusalem church last year after it was revealed the patriarchate gave a 198 year lease at below market prices on commercial properties near Jaffa Gate to four British Virgin Island holding companies controlled by a Jewish settlement group.
Israel's failure to recognize Theophilos has been "near catastrophic," Patrick Theros, former US ambassador to Qatar and the patriarchate's representative to the US, told a meeting of the American Hellenic Institute in Washington. Without a letter of recognition from the government, many banks, commercial firms, land registry and other state agencies have refused to deal with Theophilos in his capacity of legal representative of the church.
"It got to a point where the patriarchate's electricity was shut down." The church could not pay the staff of its 40 schools, nor maintain its 400 churches without emergency assistance from the Greek government Theros said.
The leases were corruptly obtained, he claimed. "Checks in full were written out to cash for each of the four leases, but the patriarchate never received any of these funds."
A Greek prosecutor last year issued a European arrest warrant against Nikos Papadimas, the patriarchate's former financial manager who allegedly negotiated the leases, on charges of embezzling some 600,000 euros, the Athens newspaper Ekathimerini reported.
After Irineos refused to heed the instructions of a special meeting in Istanbul of the leaders of the Orthodox churches to step down over the scandal, the Jerusalem Patriarchate's Holy Synod deposed him from office - an action Irineos disputes was illegal under church law.
He has refused to recognize his dismissal and still commands the support of the Israeli government, while the Orthodox Christian world recognizes Theophilos as the lawful patriarch.
On October 26, Theophilos filed an appeal with the Supreme Court. Under the terms of an Ottoman era treaty, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority and Israel must give a "Berat," or official edict of approval to the patriarch's election. While Jordan and the Palestinian Authority have given their Berat, Israel has not.
The petition charged the government was seeking to manipulate the church, making recognition of Theophilos' election contingent upon his approval of the land deal. A hearing was scheduled before the Supreme Court on July 19, and a decision is pending.
In an interview with the English-language Athens News after his election, Theophilos stated he would not honor the leases and faulted his predecessor for launching the church into perilous political waters.
"Through Irineos' imprudent actions, the patriarchate appeared to be involved in a political conflict [over land], when it had never been involved in political disputes historically. The church was transformed from a spiritual institution into a vehicle for promoting political agendas. I think my election largely managed to bring the church out of the political conflict, even though the interested powers tried their best to drag us into it," he stated.
The WCC's call for Israel to recognize Theophilos follows last month's release of a US State Department report criticizing Israel's interference in the governance of the 40,000 member patriarchate. The 2006 International Religious Freedom Report criticized Israel's "unequal treatment of religious minorities" and singled out the dispute as an example of "societal abuses and discrimination" in the Israel country report published in its world-wide survey of religious freedom.
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Oh, he deleted you too K0rcar, like it happened to Suart?
"North Epirots" & the HaxhiQamilas Muslim connection again, like in 1913 and later?
Write about the topic if you can and stop complaining why the offessive & off topic stuff gets edited or deleted, especially from Suart who has made such hurtful comments against Albs.
Israel apparaently has a similar religious problem involving autochephalism and politics.
Don't you see any parallels and how different countries deal with interventions & established rules?
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i congrat anastatios, pedophile of the year. stop hating guys.
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You are right, the so called (Serb supported) Mirdita Rep. is another dark spot in our history, and tells us what happened when some Greek, Serb and Turkish circles wanted Albs to have their own little "Albanias". At least Zog changed direction later, and no wonder he had to be so attached to the Italians.
The problem with this topic is that it's open by one who has just recently made hateful comments about Albs.
Do you feel the hypocrisy, and why Janullatos ends up looking bad.
Be a good Orthodox and behave like a Christian first.
Quote:Technically the gov of Albania is just an branch of Greek gov
No kidding. Some call it the pro-Greek Berisha complex.
Re: Archbishop Anastasios proclaimed honorary citizen of Kor
Whats the matter guys, have no sense of humour? Plus no reason to edit it, many priest have gotten caught being pedophiles, its a trend. Dont blame me, blame the priests themselves.
Re: hmm
Without Greece, Albania would flourish economically-speaking. Plus we will see no more short and hairy Fatos Nano types of people. The corruption will cease to exist. Just watch the Kosova example in a few years...
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