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FanNoli
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Minority Rights in Europe Graph
Albania is 13th and in Top-15. Congratulations for beating many EU countries. Finland&Belgium is the best...Turkey is the last... Greece is second-last almost on par with Turkey. Also note that all the xenophobic orthodox(or loving) countries are last... from stricken-with-aids Russia and Ukraine to Greece to Belarus and Serbia and Rumania with the worst minority rights in Europe...

Orthodoxy just like Islam in my opinion is incompatible with European values. Catholicism and Secularism are scoring the highest scores.

Edited by: FanNoli at: 2/4/07 3:26 am
yeniceri01
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Catholicism and Secularism are scoring the highest scores.


Finland, Denmark (the 2nd and the 3rd countries) are protestant, the most secular and catholic France is the 4th worst country so there is not necessary any correlation:rolleyes

Huns are the 4th best :hat

glaukus 001 
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From the EU assembly, looks like France, Greece & Turkey suck in their official stance towards the minorities. The 1st + step would actually be the minorities' recognition.



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Doc. 10961
12 June 2006



Ratification of the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities by the member states of the Council of Europe

Report
Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights
Rapporteur: Mr Boriss Cilevi&#269;s, Latvia, Socialist Group

Summary

The protection of national minorities and the promotion of their rights are among the greatest successes of the Council of Europe and one with which the Parliamentary Assembly is closely associated. They are essential for maintaining social and political stability, for democratic security, and for the prevention of social tensions, as well as for promoting diversity of cultures and languages in Europe.

The Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities has been ratified by 38 of the Council of Europe’s 46 member states. Four states - Belgium, Greece, Iceland and Luxembourg - have signed but not ratified; four other states - Andorra, France, Monaco and Turkey - have neither signed nor ratified.

A. Draft recommendation

2. To date, four states – Belgium, Greece, Iceland and Luxembourg – have signed the Framework Convention but have still not ratified it, and four others – Andorra, France, Monaco and Turkey – have neither signed nor ratified. The Assembly recalls that in Recommendation 1492 (2001), it already called upon the above-mentioned states to sign and/or ratify as soon as possible and without reservations and declarations the Framework Convention. It deplores the derisory progress that has been made with regard to ratification since its last 2003 recommendation was adopted: only three new ratifications – by the Netherlands, Latvia and Georgia – have been recorded.

5. The Assembly notes that Andorra, Belgium, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco and Turkey are persisting in their refusal to sign or ratify the Framework Convention, on the ground that they respect the principle of non-discrimination in their domestic law. It is therefore surprised that they are still not parties to Protocol No 12 and would regard ratification of Protocol No 12 by these seven states as evidence of their desire to match their deeds to their words, and thus ensure effective protection for the rights of persons belonging to national minorities or to minority groups under the authority of the European Court of Human Rights.

II. Analysis of obstacles in the way of ratification of the Framework Convention

i. France, Greece, Turkey


14. These three states – France, Greece and Turkey – present similarities: first as regards their constitutional and legal systems, and secondly because they do not recognise the existence of national minorities on their territory.

a. France: the constitutional argument that the nation is indivisible


b. Greece: favouring the approach to non-discrimination defined by EU instruments

21. Both in their reply to the questionnaire and at the hearing in November 2005, the Greek authorities were keen to point out that the Greek constitutional and legislative framework is fully in conformity with the fundamental principles set forth in international instruments, including the Framework Convention. According to the reply from the Greek parliamentary delegation, there is “no obstacle of a constitutional, legal or political kind to ratification of the Framework Convention by parliament”, and the delegation is therefore optimistic about the prospect of seeing the Framework Convention ratified in the near future.

22. The Greek constitution fully recognises the principles of equality under the law and non-discrimination; Articles 4 and 5 prohibit discrimination on the basis of belonging to a minority. Several laws exist to preserve and promote the religion, language and cultural heritage of minority groups. The Lausanne Treaty of 1923 secures to the members of the Muslim minority in the Greek territory rights relating to religion, language and education which in some respects go beyond those envisaged in the Framework Convention. The legislation in force ensures the promotion and protection of the rights of minorities, even providing for measures of positive discrimination, especially in the educational sphere. Persons with a specific ethnic, cultural, linguistic or religious identity enjoy freedom of thought, conscience, expression, assembly, association, etc. without restriction. Practice is likewise in accord with international obligations concerning respect for fundamental human rights: for example, there are Turkish-language electronic and print media.

23. At the hearing on 22 November 2005, the Greek government representatives stressed the approach being followed at the present time, which aims to strengthen the legislative framework in order to ensure strict respect for the principle of non-discrimination. Two European Union directives on implementation of the principle of equal treatment of all persons irrespective of race or ethnic origin (2000/43/EC), and equal treatment in employment and labour (2000/78/EC), were incorporated into Greek law in 2005. The new legislation seeks to give effect to the principle of equal treatment whatever a person’s racial or ethnic origin, religious or other beliefs, handicap, age or sexual orientation; it also establishes institutions to promote equal treatment.

24. The Greek government considers that the kind of protection afforded by Community law is far more substantial for the persons concerned, first because it tackles the most fundamental problem facing the members of minority groups – discrimination – and secondly because the inflexible supervision exercised by the Community organs really guarantees that the relevant domestic legislation is passed in time and actually applied. Moreover, the Greek representatives at the hearing emphasised that this broader approach made it possible to include the problems of the new minorities whose members, in Greece, make up a far bigger proportion of the population than persons claiming to belong to minority groups.

c. Turkey: promoting application of the principle of non-discrimination laid down in the European Convention on Human Rights

25. It is regrettable that the Turkish parliamentary delegation did not reply to the questionnaire sent to states which have not ratified. However, the delegation was represented at the hearing in November 2005 and so had an opportunity to make its views known. They are very close to the position expressed by the Greek delegation, claiming application of the principle of non-discrimination laid down in the European Convention on Human Rights. Its representatives also pointed to the basic shortcoming of the Framework Convention which, by focussing on national minorities only, takes no account of the new minorities resulting from immigration. From their point of view, it is in particular paramount to promote and protect the rights of millions of Turkish citizens living in western Europe, for whom the Framework Convention is irrelevant.

26. Reference is therefore made here to the stance taken by the Assembly and expressed in Resolution 1380 (2004) on the honouring of commitments and obligations by Turkey, in which it invites Turkey to ratify the Framework Convention 5.


V. Conclusions

69. Moreover, it is an approach which the Parliamentary Assembly supports, in parallel, when it seeks to promote ratification of Protocol No 12 to the European Convention on Human Rights. Even so, those same states, which are so ready to criticise, must prove themselves above reproach and be parties to the Protocol. One may therefore legitimately wonder why countries such as France, Greece or Turkey have still not ratified Protocol No 12 on non-discrimination.

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BRRSH 
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as
see now that's bs because PBDNJ (the greek minority party) always gets a seat in the pariament. So political participation is allowed plus even more basic than that th minorities are allowed to vote (if they meet the requirements) so .....

Albanian Soul
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Am I the only one starting to respect croatians more and more ? :rolleyes

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Lmao look at the greeks and serbs in the list :)

glaukus 001 
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Xhamlliku
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National minority rights: France and Greece worse than Russia

Brussel - Bruxelles, Friday, 16 February 2007 by Davyth Hicks

A new book on national minorities in Europe ranks both France and Greece as having worse national minority rights than Russia.

The book, written by Christoph Pan and Beate Sibylle Pfeil, was launched on Wednesday (14th February) at the joint Sud Tirol, Trentino, and Tyrol office in Brussels. The authors compiled the ranking by comparing the performance of European states in their implementation of national minority rights, based on data drawn from the Council of Europe’s Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities (FCNM).

The bottom four are France, Belarus, Greece and Turkey. Top of the table came Belgium and Finland, followed by Denmark, Hungary and Spain.

The study follows one in 2001 where the legal status of minorities in 36 European states gave the following results: half of the states (18) had fulfilled their commitments to the extent of 50%-85%, fifteen states (42%) had implemented 30%-50% of the measures required, whereas only three states, Belarus, Greece and Turkey gave much lower figures.


The study shows that by 2006 two thirds of states (25) had fulfilled their commitments to the extent of 50% - 85%, and the number of states fulfilling 30-50% of commitments in terms of quality of minority protection dropped from fifteen to eight, but that the number of states still far behind remained unchanged.

At the lower and critical levels Russia, Ukraine, France, Belarus and Greece had not progressed at all, with the authors describing these states as “nearly completely resistant to any innovation in this field.”

The UK also came under criticism for its wide interpretation of the FCNM (a Convention that aims to protect historic, indigenous national minorities), because the UK includes most minorities, both national and ethnic, in its ratification, but continues to exclude the Cornish. For the authors such an example shows that, for the FCNM to work properly, it is essential for the Council of Europe to uphold its definition of what constitutes a national minority when dealing with member states.

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Xhamlliku
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belarus is a dictatorship anyways

canaris
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Why are albanians interested in this anyway?Only refugees and people that run away from their homlands and settle in other countries should be interested in this.





Meltdown711 
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hmm
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Why are albanians interested in this anyway?Only refugees and people that run away from their homlands and settle in other countries should be interested in this.



Why is the Greek forum interested in the Albanian municipal elections turnout?

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canaris
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I wish I knew....8o




heimarra 
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Because we won!!!!
5 mayors of the minority won !!!

canaris
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Now I know...:D




leshte
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Because we won!!!!
5 mayors of the minority won !!!


Says a lot about how we respect our minorities. When that happens in Greece drop a line here.

O i forgot, Greece is the only country in the world that has 0% minority; Those that are not part of the mainstream are only immigrants and tourists.

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Burden of fault caries the Orthodox Church! If you have a chance to read “The Mountain Wreath” written by P.P. Njegoš you will see how Vladika (high rank clergyman and statesman) blesses those who murdered their own brothers of different faith – Slavic muslims (bošnjaci) and very likely Albanians of the Monte Negro too.
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glaukus 001 
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They were not all "5 mayors". And it's 5 out of 384 winners/electoral entities for the whole country. (not even 2%) :)
Plus, the main (Greek) minority party (PBDNJ) had put candidates (with Muslim & Catholic names) as far north as Kukes, Shkoder and even Malesi e Madhe (Bajza e Kastratit). That tells you how much "Greek" the candidates are.
But Bollanos seems to have won Himara again, and ... on purpose. The 2 main Alb parties (PD & PS) refuse to join forces and candidate with 1 member, so Bollanos ends up being a winer. Some of our politicians want to make sure that the Greek minority wins in a few areas. So, it all depends how you see the victory.

Anyway, this topic has its importance, since it shows how close & low the top Balkanian powerhouses are with each other in regard to minority rights, at a time when they are also big complainers to the smaller neighbors about their own minorities, especially Greece. Minority wise Turkey is only 3 points away from being a member of EU. :D

But it's important that are neighbors are talking:

Greece

Turkey

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Diurpaneus
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This graph is @#%$.
In Romania, minorities with an important number (hungarians, germans, greeks, turks) have schools in thier own languages, they have TV shows in their own languages, newspapers in their own languages, parliament representatives and more.
Whoever made that "graph" didn`t have good intentions.

"Ardelean copil de munte, ia ridica`ti a ta frunte, si te`nsufla de mandrie, ca esti fiu de Romanie"

glaukus 001 
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Maybe whoever German/s researchers who made the graph could have grouped countries in different categories, so that some might not get hurt feelings. But, as we see several indicators were used to compile the detailed graph, and probably a lot of reports on minorities rights were used.
But there is no doubt that Romania is much better than, let's say, Moldova.

Some say the new Romanians are intolerant. Probably there are more problematic briefs regarding the Roma-s .....

Even the 2006 State Dprt. finds some problems with Romania, just like with other countries:

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Romania

International Religious Freedom Report 2006
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor

In February 2005, the Government abolished the requirement of a construction permit from a special national commission in order to build places of worship; instead, only local permits are required as with any construction. Minority religions, however, continued to report unjustified opposition by local authorities to granting such permits for some minority religious groups.

Restrictions on Religious Freedom

There is no law against proselytizing, nor is there a clear understanding by the authorities of what activities constitute proselytizing. Although proselytizing is protected by law, several minority religious groups, which include both recognized and unrecognized religions, made credible complaints that low-level government officials and Romanian Orthodox clergy impeded their efforts to proselytize, interfered in religious activities, and otherwise discriminated against them during the period covered by this report.


In many cases, religious minorities have not succeeded in regaining possession of properties, despite restitution by these decrees. Many properties returned by decree contain government offices, schools, hospitals, or cultural institutions that would require relocation, and lawsuits and protests by current possessors have delayed restitution of the property to rightful owners. In July 2005, new legislation to improve the process of property restitution came into effect. The law clarified and simplified the procedures for property restitution; broadened the scope of restitution; established new application deadlines and fines for the officials who hindered the process; and created a $4 billion (ROL 117,884 billion) property fund to pay damages to former owners for properties that cannot be returned in kind. These provisions resolved some of the impediments to property restitution in earlier legislation that were criticized by religious denominations, i.e., not restituting the land of demolished buildings and not providing for compensation. Although the large majority of restitution cases of religious property remained unresolved, the pace of restitution increased slightly during the period covered by this report as a result of the new legislation. In many cases, local authorities refused to turn over restituted properties in which county or municipal governments had an interest and challenged the decisions of the Special Restitution Commission in court. There were many complaints that the local authorities consistently delayed supplying information about the reclaimed properties to the Special Restitution Commission, thereby obstructing the restitution process, despite the fines stipulated by the new legislation for such delays. The Office of Property Restitution reported at the end of the reporting period, however, that local authorities were improving with regard to supplying information. The number of restitution claims submitted by religious denominations increased because of the six-month extension of the deadline for the submission of claims, i.e., until January 25, 2006. The compensation process had not begun by June 30, 2006.

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Diurpaneus
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What European country has schools and even universities for minorities? We do.

Concerning discrimination: c`mon.... the dean of the Physycs Faculty from Cluj-Napoca, Prof. Onuc Cozar, is a tartar-turk. And Cluj is a town where there are no turks or tartars, that guy came from the south. Talking about equal chances.

Political Participation? We have that too. Every minority is given a seat in the Romanian Parliament. The hungarians even have a political party.

Right to own language? In every village or town where there is a minority that is over 20% of that town/village everything is bilingual; from administration to grocery shops. For example if a village has 80% romanian population and 20% albanian, the local administration will be in both romanian/albanian.

Right to own identity? They have newspapers and TV shows for God`s sake. Even you albanians have magazines (one called "Miku i Shqiptarit"), and there are not many albs left in Romania.

But there are some people who still hate us....

"Ardelean copil de munte, ia ridica`ti a ta frunte, si te`nsufla de mandrie, ca esti fiu de Romanie"

Meltdown711 
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hmm
I don't think anyone particularly cares about the elections in Himara... Nobody in Albania, thats for sure.

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Because we won!!!!
5 mayors of the minority won !!!


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They were not all "5 mayors". And it's 5 out of 384 winners/electoral entities for the whole country. (not even 2%)


LOL, less than two per cent. This rings a bell in my ears. Through all these years, Albanians have been arguing that there are not anymore than 3 per cent ethnic Greeks in Albania. Greeks, however, such as Arius and so forth, have argued that there are far more Greeks in our southern territories, namely 300,000-600,000. But these elections show a clear pattern. So I do not know why Heimarra is cheering really -- those 'victories' are really insignificiant in contrast to the whole picture. And what is more important, it reveals how small the Greek community in Albania is. One needs to remember that even the votes won were not won entirely through the votes of locals; vorio-epiriotes from Greece came in buses to vote for Bollanos and other Greek candidates.

Not to mention that there are alot of speculations about cheating from the Greeks' side. If true, then this speaks volumes; not even with Greek exiles coming in buses and unvalid votes could the Greeks win more than 5 mayors. That is pathetic. And it goes to show how ridiculously tolerant our government is against the minorities. I mean this thing with immigrants voting, be they Albanain or Greek, is absurd in my opinion; they vote to shape a society they do not have to live in. Esecially in the case of Greek exiles it is ridiculous. They are part of the Greek society now, yet they use legalistic formalities to exercise Greece's influence in Albania by voting for Bollanos.

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I don't think anyone particularly cares about the elections in Himara... Nobody in Albania, thats for sure.


No doubt. That is why PD and PS ignore this tiny village, or 'qyteze' if you wish. But nevertheless it would be nice if some restrictions were made in regards of exiles coming back to vote just to stirr up some sh*t. And if a candidate could woop Bollanos' behind, then that would not be a negative thing.

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Plus, the main (Greek) minority party (PBDNJ) had put candidates (with Muslim & Catholic names) as far north as Kukes, Shkoder and even Malesi e Madhe (Bajza e Kastratit).


:lol :lol

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Telemaque 
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a country with a lot of green is as bad as a country with a lot of red...

...some features such as "own languages" are dangerous for certain countries with some of their minorities...

...Belgium is preparing itself to talk Arab for futur...


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Meltdown711 
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Dijedon, who cares? The people in the villages are old men and ganny's maintaining falling houses with virtually no birthrate...
The youth live their lives abroad in Greece, Europe and US with little interest in returning to the small village. The place is bound to a slow and painful death, let it live out its miserable existance in the currupt happy way that it wants to.

The only hope is that the village will continue to get some support from its diaspora, but how long can "support" last? What about the generation after then next?

The beautiful thing about the Ottoman Empire is the fact that they did not allow the Christians to live in the cities. The Greeks are the peasents of the southern tip of Albania and now they are faced with a urbanizing society. Unfortunately for them the urban zones are all Alb dominated. :b Muslim Albs at that...

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Edited by: Meltdown711  at: 2/22/07 9:12 pm
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