More bad reviewers

"I'm a little reluctant to post my recent reviews at the Game Pond... I think they're a little more risque than the average review. I'm afraid that I'll either offend someone or simply make a fool out of myself."

It annoys me more that people get upset with each other for saying things they disagree with, then it does for people saying things I don't agree with. I know that made no sense, so what I mean is...If someone were to say, "Blaster Master Sucks!", that being my favorite game, it wouldn't annoy me nowhere near as much as if someone got all bent out-of-shape over it and started complaining and saying they're gonna leave or something.

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DEATHAMSTER Registered User (6/4/01 10:09 pm) Reply	... "I'm a little reluctant to post my recent reviews at the Game Pond... I think they're a little more risque than the average review. I'm afraid that I'll either offend someone or simply make a fool out of myself." It annoys me more that people get upset with each other for saying things they disagree with, then it does for people saying things I don't agree with. I know that made no sense, so what I mean is...If someone were to say, "Blaster Master Sucks!", that being my favorite game, it wouldn't annoy me nowhere near as much as if someone got all bent out-of-shape over it and started complaining and saying they're gonna leave or something.
Liontamer The Game Jerichoholic Ninja (6/5/01 1:04 pm) Reply	Re: More bad reviewers "Sorry to butt in, and I really hope that I am not intruding here. However, I just wanted to mention a few things." There's no need to apologize for conversing here. Anybody who wants to contribute to any conversation at my board can feel free to post here. Feel free to jump in a convesation any time if you want. As for the posting reviews at the Game Pond, I don't post any myself because I hardly find time to write a review. I started a review for Revelations: The Demon Slayer long ago and never finished it. Between the internet, stacks of comics, stacks of books, stacks of games, the scholarly journal article I'm writing, and everything else, it's hard to find time to trview a game. I like reading reviews though, and I always enjoyes DS's reviews at his site. -'Tamer "Young lady, stars shine only in the sky, and stars which fall to earth never shine again." --Anubis, Dark Warlord of Cruelty
Flying Omelette Registered User (6/6/01 5:54 pm) Reply	... I'm having a difficult time posting at other boards, anymore. At some boards, I feel persona non grata, and at others I see old posts of mine that I terribly disagree with now, and it makes me ill to read them...
Crawl Registered User (6/8/01 11:57 am) Reply	I LOVE FO! *Quote:* I've noticed that Gamefaqs has implemented a 30-review limit for games. I think that's good. I mean, do we really need 40 reviews for a game on one site? (And usually, if a game has that many reviews, most of them are 10s, because it's a popular game.) The people at the review board didn't like the limit. Someone said something along the lines of "Well, there may be 30 reviews for a game, but that means 25 of them are crap." That's a little extreme, IMO. Well, I noticed he stopped accepting reviews for Lunar: SSSC and Chrono Trigger. So, if I actually cared about gamefaqs, I would sort of have to disagree with you. All of those reviews basically express the exact same opinion. My review of Lunar would have been the only one to really have a different angle on the game. The other 30 or so all sort of hover around the same opinions (when they're not exactly the same).
James FP Registered User (6/8/01 4:44 pm) Reply	review limit Not that I really care about that place, anymore, but I don't think the review limit is the answer, personally. All this is going to do is cause people to rush through the popular games, (or not even finish them at all), and write up a quick review of it, just to make sure theirs gets posted before the number of reviews exceeds the limit. Reviews written like that aren't gonna be worth anything to anyone. I think there should be a "waiting" period. I think a game should have to be out so long before reviews can be submitted for it. I had just gotten Aidyn Chronicles a few days after it came out. The day after I got it, a review for it already appeared at GameFAQs! WTF?? I've seen Game Boy Advanced games being reviewed before they were even released, and I'm not even sure if all of those games have been released yet, or not. So, you KNOW they're either playing imports or ROMs, which is not helpful to people who are interested in the actual American versions.
Aussie2B Registered User (6/8/01 8:21 pm) Reply	Re: review limit They shouldn't review ROMs of GBA games (since from what I've heard, the emulators really suck, and there's no sound), but I don't think there's anything wrong with reviewing an imported game. The reviewer should just say that it's an import in the review. And since the GBA hasn't even been released here yet, no one knows what games will reach America or not. Surely some of those games won't make it here, so there wouldn't be an American version to review at all. "I want to turn into a little bird and fly away, so leave me alone!"
Flying Omelette Registered User (6/8/01 10:03 pm) Reply	Imports If they're going to allow people to review the import versions of the games, then they should have a separate section for that, since many games go through changes, some major, some minor, before reaching American shores. Especially in the case of an RPG or Adventure game, where many story elements might have to be changed, due to translation. (And also, it's good to mention if the game is badly translated or not.)
CB007 Registered User (6/10/01 9:42 am) Reply	Gamefaqs Boards I agree that that's one of the best things about the Gamefaqs boards... you can almost always find people to talk to about a particular game at any time. On ezboard, if nobody is playing the same game as you, there's not much you can do. As far as Star Ocean 2 goes, I don't remember seeing any message boards made for it anywhere else. I never knew there was one at RPGAMER. You reviews are the most detailed and probably the best I've ever read, Aussie. Might as well most them at the Game Pond, too. I don't think anybody would be offended by the content. As for import games, I don't mind people reviewing them, as long as they do say so in the beginning of the review. CLOUDBOND007 "Teamwork means staying out of my way!" - Seifer
Aussie2B Registered User (6/10/01 10:30 pm) Reply	Re: Gamefaqs Boards I know of a couple SO2 ezboards, and there's a board on Come on Bunny's site (one of the best SO2 sites), but, well, they suck. =P They hardly get any activity at all. "I want to turn into a little bird and fly away, so leave me alone!"
Facilitypro Moderator (6/25/01 9:43 pm) Reply	Re: I LOVE FO! I forgot about this thread. *Quote:* My review of Lunar would have been the only one to really have a different angle on the game. The other 30 or so all sort of hover around the same opinions (when they're not exactly the same). I'm sure CJayC would find a dissenting opinion on Lunar refreshing, and he might consider posting it. The problem is the "reviewer clique" would probably have a fit. "Why does HE get to post a review for a locked game, while MY superior review wasn't accepted?" *Quote:* (From GP) I usually read reviews for entertainment. I RARELY read reviews to get recommendations. also, i like reading reviews of games I've already beaten most, so I like to know what others have to say about them.. but if i already played and beat the game, I don't need detailed descriptions of what the game plays like - I already know! I'd rather read more analysis. That is exactly why I read reviews. I'll read reviews of games I'm highly consdering buying, but I can't just find a game with a bunch of tens and go "Wow, I want that." I get more enjoyment reading reviews for games that I have beaten. I too prefer analysis in reviews. And about Diefwolf, I agree with your take on him. Now think his style is OK (I'm not wild about it, but it's very respectable), but it's HIS style. He doesn't come across as trying to be smart. Everything he writes has a certain (and consistant) style to it, which shows me that that is his style. He's not trying to act a certain way. It's totally obvious when someone tries to incorporate big words into a small-minded review. For instance, when someone has a bunch of 12-letter word peppered around, while the 5 letter words are spelled incorrectly, and the grammar is horrid, or when someone picks 5 big words and uses them in every review they write. Edited by: Facilitypro at: 6/25/01 9:44:50 pm
Flying Omelette Registered User (6/25/01 11:19 pm) Reply	... Or when they use the words wrong...like completely out of their meaning. Like using "apathetic" when you mean "sympathetic". Using "illuminate" when you mean "elaborate". I've actually seen people say things like, "It behooves me that they would do this!" In fact, it's funny in general how many people there are who don't use the word "behoove" correctly...
Crawl Registered User (6/26/01 8:12 am) Reply	I LOVE FO I can't tell you how disturbed I am by some people's phobia of intellegence. Like when people say, "He's trying to be smart!" as though there's something BAD about being smart. It's almost like saying, "Hey, dork, why are you trying to dress nice?" I can imagine their critiques of, say, Shakespeare: "Dude, you're, like, using too many words!" Anyway, if a person was merely trying to sound smart, but wasn't actually smart, the person wouldn't sound smart at all. On the other hand, this came from his Zelda 2 review: "Even if the player is at full life, the projected images of Link�s sword are ineffective against all armor-clad enemies -- a classification to which Ironknuckles belong." I think it would have read better as: "Regardless of condition of superlative vivaciousness, the evanescent yet corporeal projections of Link's rapier are negated by armor-clad antagonists - the genus of which Ironknuckles are an element of." I think when I write a review of Ninja Gaiden, I'll use the word "anisotropic" to describe Ryu's control in midjump. If I had to critique Dief's reviews, I could find much more valid points to make than to complain about his writing style (his value system seems a little wonky. And I find it odd that he says he can't name his favorite game because that would be like naming your favorite child... yet he has no problems scoring his games and rating them in categories or critiquing them. So, I imagine he could say to his child, "You're rather dim-witted, but you do have a lovely singing voice and good work ethic. I give you a 7"). His reviews aren't necessarily my favorite single thing about his site. He talked somewhere on his site about the personality of a webmaster showing in their work, and I think that comes through in his page. That's perhaps why I just enjoy looking through his site. Edited by: Crawl at: 6/26/01 12:50:33 pm
Crawl Registered User (6/27/01 5:25 pm) Reply	I LOVE FO! This is unusual. It seems like most websites are crashing and burning all around us. It also seems like when websites upgrade, I am no longer able to view them at home (unless I use my DC's browser) - or I lose someother functionality. For example, I can never look at Vanbrain's board at home because it's on boardhost, which stopped working for me a few months ago. I also can't post at ezboard at home. Until today, I wasn't able to view Loogaroo's site (or Dief's, which is hosted on Loogaroo's) at home. But oddly, I see it now works today, if I change the URL (members.nbci.com/loogaroo/ instead of members.nbci.com/_XMCM/loogaroo) Maybe I'll spend a few little more time looking over those sites. I think I appreciated Deif's humor section more the second time I looked at it. nbci working better for me could be good also because wolfgames, an import store I bought a couple of games from, is hosted there. Also in news of some websites doing okay (or so it seems) despite the economy, bigmailbox.com upped their mailbox size limit. I even decided to visit a few of their sponsers as a way of saying "thanks". Speaking of which, I got your videogame paper in my mailbox, Facility, but for some reason I didn't realize it until awhile after you sent it (but I read the version you uploaded at the other board earlier)
CRAWLand1000 Registered User (6/4/02 12:15 pm) Reply	I LOVE FO! For some reason, I was once again interested in score distributions. I make a histogram of 72 games I scored (I could list the games), made a gaussian fit to it, and graphed it: http://members.tripod.com/crawland1000/crawlscore.html The resulting mean was 6.12, and the deviation was 1.79. There's some jitter around the gaussian model, but, obviously, 72 games is not a huge sample size, as far as statistics goes. And, of course, some scores might change slightly by the time I would ever review those games, but probably not by more than 1/2 a star. I did this a day ago with a slightly different sample, and got a deviation of 1.67. Anyway, I wasn't TRYING to force the game scores to a gaussian model or anything, but just honestly ranking games by how I saw them. (Of course, I use a star scale, but I multiplied that by 2 for that graph. And, yes, that lowest ranked game is Lunar) I looked at a few models of some other people's scores (for people who had enough reviews - usually around 100 - for there to be statistical significance to their scores) and actually found several whose scores follow a linear distribution! In other words, the higher the score, the most likely that score is to be awarded. (The Working Designs Critic's is like that, although, even with as many games as he's scored, I think he has too many degrees (23) in his scale to see the trend, so I put the scores into something like 11 bins. But I've seen distributions even more linear than that). I think my schedule for writing reviews now would be to try to do King's Knight first, then maybe Castlevania 4, then maybe a postive NES review, like of Punch Out or Final Fantasy. Of course, I suffer from a perpetual case of writer's block, so it's been slow going. I'd like to get at least one done by the end of this month, though, to try to keep up my breakneck pace of one review every three months or so. I LOOOOOOVE Flying Omelette!! Crawl and 1000 Edited by: CRAWLand1000 at: 6/4/02 2:39:28 pm
Facilitypro Moderator (6/4/02 5:38 pm) Reply	Reviews That's some interesting stuff. The WD critic one is ridiculous. If I tried that, I'm not sure how things would turn out. As far as my NES games go, I've been pretty picky about what I buy. Thus, there will probably be more high scores. With PSX games, I've bought several without much research, and those are the ones I've been disappointed in. That might look like more of a normal curve. I wonder if Siskel/Roeper and Ebert have a pretty even thumbs up to thumbs down ratio. When Siskel was on the show, there seemed to be a pretty even split. More recently, I seem to be seeing a lot of thumbs ups. I have no plans on writing anything about games right now. My editorial is in limbo. I got about halfway through it, and haven't looked at it since. I've tried getting back to my Silent Hill review a few times, but I seem to hit a block every time. I dunno. I've been playing more than usual, but I have a lot of things on my mind (IRL stuff), so it's hard to do anything other than play to be playing. I did pop FF Tactics in, and messed around with the tutorial and the first battle. It seems pretty confusing, but I have high hopes for the game.
Crawl and 1OOO Registered User (6/4/02 10:00 pm) Reply	I LOVE FO! Well, I actually did look over Ebert and Roeper's site one time, and they had about 60% thumbs up. Roeper had a few fewer thumbs up than Ebert. I've never seen that show. I looked it up in the paper once, but it wasn't on when it was supposed to be. ::shrug:: I think my game collection is somewhat representative of the quality of games that are out there. The thing I wonder is, if I might be becoming less rigorous as I get older. Anyway, I'm mostly playing games now to play them (now that I've found some games I could play and enjoy - before I was playing the Gargoyle's Quest games, I was having a hard time finding games I could enjoy much), but my thoughts about game writing are, slow and steady wins the race. I'll work on my stuff when I feel like it, and when I don't, it'll be there when I'm able to work on it again. Anyway, maybe you could post what you have of your gaming editorial, so interested parties could see what it's about so far =) As for Final Fantasy Tactics, I liked it a lot myself. I suppose I could post some caveats, though, so you don't get your hopes up too much or something. Most of the time, I found battles engaging, but there are some times I just wanted to earn some skills or something. Whenever you do that, the game sort of feels like it's about level building a la Final Fantasy 1, but if you could survive that game without thinking its level building was too bad, I think you could get over it in FFT. I LOOOOOOVE Flying Omelette!! Crawl and 1000

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