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James A Grieve 
Uachtarain na Tománn
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(26/8/05 11:23)


DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Ministers,

I give you the existing rules:

Quote:
1. DEBATE. A bill or motion may be debated for a maximum of 10 days before a vote. Members during this time may discuss the bill and propose amendments.
1.1 Members may call a vote on an unfriendly amendment by motion and second.
1.2 Members may call a vote before 10 days by motion and second. If the succeeding vote is negative, the bill or motion is debated up to another 10 days.

2. VOTING. A vote must last no longer than 72 hours but may end sooner if every Minister has voted.
2.1 The Speaker must preside at any vote. He or she must call it and certify the results.
2.2 Members may vote in one of four ways: Yay, Nay, Abstain, or Defer.
2.3 Once recorded, an individual vote is final.



Personally, I'm quite keen to keep these more or less as they are. I would make only one ammendment, which would have been handy last term and may be again in the future:

Quote:
2.1 The Speaker must preside at any vote. He or she must call it and certify the results. In the Speaker's absence, the President may assume temporary Speaker duties.


This should probably be tucked into the Constitution as an ammendment, but it'd be a lot quicker and easier to add it on this level.

Debate away...

opurtonistis
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(26/8/05 15:14)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
I persoanally agree and i fid fid find:) tha t the role of the president is the ONLY suitable for ths this role

James A Grieve 
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(28/8/05 17:26)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
I like the idea, but it could prove crippling, should a really important issue require urgent legislation. In this case, you would either have to wait out a 72 hour voting period to clear a 'space', or muster the ministers to throw out some legislation.

How about:

Quote:
1.3 No more than five (5) pieces of legislation may be in open debate at any one time. Other bills can be submitted to the Dáil but will be closed by the speaker until one of the open bills is cleared, or explicit permission is granted by Presidential decree.


I don't mean to be power-mongering here (I only have three months of term left anyway), but there needs to be an official override channel for this one, in my opinion.

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
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(28/8/05 23:42)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
I can deal with that.

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
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(29/8/05 22:36)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
I think that's what the President's ammendment is attempting to cater for.

Prime Minister Mark Thomas Prendergast
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(29/8/05 23:08)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Aye but I was just pushing pm power.;)

opurtonistis
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(6/9/05 10:14)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
i AGREE

James A Grieve 
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(6/9/05 10:37)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Although with two thirds of the Dáil on vacation, there is no work for the Speaker to do.

Can we put the Dáil into recession until you two return?

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
Former President of Talamthom
11/06/04 - 19/06/05
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(6/9/05 12:50)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
I suppose there is nothing to stop it. I will announce the recess of the Dáil for its summer vacation later tonight.

James A Grieve 
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Posts: 423
(6/9/05 13:17)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Right you are sir. I'll do my best to stave off National Emergencies in the interim.

Regards,

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
Former President of Talamthom
11/06/04 - 19/06/05
Citizen of Talamthom
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(6/9/05 13:30)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Good. UIts only five days after all!!

Prime Minister Mark Thomas Prendergast
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(6/9/05 22:51)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Well I suppose you could run a one man Dail but it could be construed as a bit autocratic.

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
Former President of Talamthom
11/06/04 - 19/06/05
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(11/9/05 15:27)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
We're all back so i'd like to motion the latest reading of the bill to a vote. Do i hear a second?

James A Grieve 
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Posts: 425
(11/9/05 18:28)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
No (because I can't), but welcome back. ;-)

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
Former President of Talamthom
11/06/04 - 19/06/05
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(12/9/05 10:53)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Thankyou. Mr Loutradis, Mr Prendergast?

James A Grieve 
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President of Talamthom
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Posts: 428
(14/9/05 8:15)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Can we please see some legislating here, gentlemen? Will nobody second Mr O Ceallaigh's vote?

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
Former President of Talamthom
11/06/04 - 19/06/05
Citizen of Talamthom
Knight of Gotzborg and Alexandria
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Posts: 2235
(14/9/05 8:59)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
Hmm. At this rate we'll have yet another bill hit the 10-day rule!!

opurtonistis
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(14/9/05 15:40)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
I second

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
Former President of Talamthom
11/06/04 - 19/06/05
Citizen of Talamthom
Knight of Gotzborg and Alexandria
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(14/9/05 15:42)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
A vote will be opened forthwith.

Prime Minister Mark Thomas Prendergast
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(15/9/05 11:32)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
I third.

Thomas O Ceallaigh 
Minister for Baile na hÁlainn
Former President of Talamthom
11/06/04 - 19/06/05
Citizen of Talamthom
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(17/9/05 10:53)


Re: DT2005-056 - Dáil Rules of Procedure II
This has passed.

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